Jesus is Not His God

This is in reply to a site, evidently promoting a form of oneness doctrine.

The claim is that there is one God and that Jesus is that one God. We will not be discussing this matter in detail here, but will be giving links to where the scriptures presented are discussed in greater detail. While most of the links are written toward trinitarians, most of the same principles apply to the claim by the oneness believers that that Jesus is his God. There is no need to add to the scriptures that Jesus is his own God, or that Jesus is Yahweh (Jehovah), or that Jesus is the only true God, or that Jesus is the Supreme Being, or whatever. What God has revealed to us in the scriptures by means of his holy spirit is fully and totally in harmony without adding doctrines that diminish the redemption, such as any doctrine that would say that Jesus is Yahweh.

Isaiah 9:6 is given as proof that Jesus is his God, and that Jesus is his father. Links regarding Isaiah 9:6 may be found at:

Isaiah 9:6 - Click Here for the study: The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father

Isaiah 9:6 - Click Here for search

Isaiah 9:6 - Click Here for the study: Isaiah 9:6 and the Alleged Trinity

Isaiah 9:6 - Click Here for the study: Father of Eternity

Isaiah 9:6 - Click Here for the study: Mighty God

Isaiah 9:6 - Click Here for the study: Trinity in the Bible?: Isaiah 9:6

Isaiah 9:6 - Click Here for the study: Trinity in the Bible?: Isaiah 9:6

Isaiah 43:10,11 is given, evidently with the thought that there is only one God, and only one savior, and thus that no one else can legitimately be referred to with any form of the word "EL" except that it be that one God; likewise, the thought evidently is that the only savior cannot therefore send anyone else who is not himself as a savior of Israel. Below are links to studies on these scriptures:

Isaiah 43:10 - Click Here for the study: Isaiah 43:10

Isaiah 43:10 - Click Here for search

Isaiah 43:11 - Click Here for the study: How Many Saviors?

Isaiah 43:11 - Click Here for search

Exodus 3:14 is cited, and the erroneous statement is made that Jesus is "the Great 'I am'" in both the Old and New Testaments. Studies regarding Exodus 3:14 may be found at:

Exodus 3:14 - Click Here for the study: "I am" in John 8:58 and Other Verses

Exodus 3:14 - Click Here for the study: The Singular Holy Name

Exodus 3:14 - Click Here for the Thread: Witnesses of Jehovah (Yahweh)

Exodus 3:14 - Click Here for the study: Did Jesus Use the Holy Name in John 8:58?

Exodus 3:14 - Click Here to search

Revelation 1:8 is cited, evidently with the thought this is quoting Jesus. Then, Revelation 1:11 is cited, with the spurious introduction, and evidently with the thought that this shows that the one speaking in Revelation 1:8 is Jesus. Studies on Revelation 1:8 and Revelation 1:11 may be found at:

Revelation 1:8 - Click Here for study: Is Yahweh or Jesus Quoted? - Gives evidence that John was quoting the God of Jesus in Revelation 1:8

Revelation 1:8 - Click Here for search

Revelation 1:8,11,17 -- Click Here for study: Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last

More Scriptures:

Isaiah 44:6 - Click Here for the study: No God Apart From Yahweh

Isaiah 44:6 - Click Here for the study: Isaiah 44:6 - Two Yahwehs?

Isaiah 44:6 - Click Here for the study: Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last

Isaiah 44:6 - Click Here for search

Isaiah 45:5 - Click Here for the study: No God Apart From Yahweh

Isaiah 45:5 - Click Here for search

Isaiah 45:21 - Click Here for the study: No God Apart From Yahweh

Isaiah 45:21 - Click Here for search

1 Corinthians 8:6 - (Click Here for Search)

Ephesians 4:4-6 - Click here for study: The One Lord of Ephesians 4:5

1 Timothy 2:5,6 - Click Here for study: The Man Christ Jesus

Colossians 1:15 - Click Here for study: The Human Son of God

Colossians 1:15 - Click Here for search

Colossians 1:15 - Click Here for study: Did Jesus Have a Beginning?

Colossians 1:16 - Clikc Here for study: Is Jesus the Creator?

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Click Here for study: "One God, One Lord"

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Click Here for the study: The One Lord Fallacy

Deuteronomy 6:4,5; Matthew 22:36-40: We agree that there is only one God as is shown by these verses. That one God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus; that one God is not Jesus, the son of that one God.

Click Here for the study: The God (Supreme Being) of Jesus

Click Here for the study: Who is Jesus?

Click Here for the study: Who is the One Yahweh?

John 1:1,2 - Click Here for the study: The Logos was Theos

John 1:1,2 - Click Here for the study: Why Did John Write: The Word was God?

John 1:1,2 - Click Here for the study: Hebraic Usages of the Titles for "God"

John 1:1,2 - Click Here for search

John 1:3 - Click Here for the study: The Beginning and the Creation of the World

John 1:3 - Click Here for the study: In the Beginning

John 1:3 - Click Here for the study: Is Jesus the Creator?

John 1:3 - Click Here for the study: Yahweh Stretched For the Heavens Alone

John 1:3 - Click Here for search

John 1:10 - Click Here for search

John 1:14 - Click Here for study: The Logos Made Flesh

John 1:14 - Click Here for search

John 8:24 - Click Here for search

John 8:58 - Click Here for study: "I am" in John 8:58 and Other Verses

John 8:58 - Click Here for study: John 8:58 - Did Jesus Use the Holy Name?

John 8:58 - Click Here for study: John 8:58 and Ehyeh

John 8:58 - Click Here for study: "I am" - Eternal?

John 8:58 - Click Here for search

John 8:59 - Click Here for the study: The Real Reason the Jews Sought to Kill Jesus

John 8:59 - Click Here for search

******** The above is all we have completed so far; links for the rest will be given later, Yahweh willing. One, however, can use the search at:

http://reslight.net/search.html

John 14:6 -

John 14:7-10

John 14:11

2 Corinthians 5:19

Genesis 1:1 -- The thought is presented that in Genesis 1:1 that God is said to have created all things, and that in some other verse, possibly referring to John 1:3, that Christ is said to have created all things. Actually, we do not find, either in John 1:3 or anywhere else in the Bible that Christ created all things; we do find that "all" was created "through" him, or by means of him, thus signifying, as Christ himself did, that the God of Christ is the creator, and the God of Christ created through the firstborn creature. There is nothing all absurd or impossible about this.

Godhead -

Colossians 2:9

John 1:14 - Jesus was indeed created, the firstborn creature (Colossians 1:15) If Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God, then Jesus is not the invisible God whom he makes manifest.

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:20

Matthew 1:21

Matthew 1:23

1 Timothy 3:16

Jesus is Not Jehovah

Stanley Jones gives an outline with a series of scriptures with are alleged to show that Jesus is Jehovah. The tract is evidently designed for "Jehovah's Witnesses." The owner of this blog site is not associated with the Jehovah's Witnesses, but since Mr. Jones gives a lot of scriptures that do not actually support the claim that Jesus is Jehovah, the page is designed to either give comments on the scriptures Mr. Jones presents, or give links to where one may find the truth concerning the scriptures presented.

Before looking at our examination of the scriptures below, the reading of the following studies is suggested:

Jesus is Not Yahweh
http://godandson.reslight.net/jesusnotyhwh.html

Please also be aware that most of these scriptures have already been discussed at:
http://godandson.reslight.net/


Here are the scriptures with our comments and/or links regarding those scriptures (not all scriptures have comments or link yet; so this may be considered a work in progress):

According to the tract, Jesus himself claimed to be Jehovah:

John 8:24
This scripture is discussed in the study:
http://godandson.reslight.net/i-am.html

John 8:28
This scripture is discussed in the study:
http://godandson.reslight.net/i-am.html

John 8:58
This scripture is discussed in the following studies:

http://sonofyah.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/john8-58/

http://reslight.net/forum/index.php?topic=304.0

http://godandson.reslight.net/i-am.html

John 13:19

John 18:5,6 with Exodus 3:14,15
These scriptures are discussed in the following study:
http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=253

Isaiah 41:4
http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=325

Isaiah 46:4
http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=253


According to the tract, evidently the fact that Jesus is spoken of as the "Good [Genuine] Shepherd" is thought to mean that Jesus is Jehovah.

Johnn 10:11,14 with Psalm 23:1; Isaiah 40:10,11; Ezekiel 34:15; Hebrews 13:20; 1 Peter 2:25; 1 Peter 5:4; Revelation 7:17.

John 10:11,14 is discussed at:
http://notrinity.blogspot.com/2008/10/john10-11-14.html


The following scriptures are claimed to imply that Jesus is Jehovah

John 20:28 is discussed in the following studies:

http://reslight.net/forum/index.php?topic=353.0
http://reslight.net/forum/index.php?topic=118.0
http://godandson.reslight.net/john-20-28.html
http://reslight.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/john-2028/
http://reslight.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/john-2028-part-b/

Matthew 4:10
http://godandson.reslight.net/worshipjesus.html

Luke 4:8 = Deuteronomy6:13.
http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=495

John 1:18; Genesis 12:7; 17:1; 18:1; 26:24; Ex 34:5-7; Isa 6:1-3, etc.

Romans 10:9

1 Corinthians 12:3

Philippians 2:10-11 NIV.

1 Corinthians 8:6

Ephesian 4:5. Deuteronomy 6:4; Zechariah 14:9.

It is claimed that Jehovah's names and titles are applied to Jesus, evidently with the thought that is supposed to mean that Jesus is Jehovah:

Almighty:
Revelation 1:8. Revelvation 22:12-13,16,20. Genesis 17:1; Exodus 6:3.

First and Last:
Revelation 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:13,16. Isaiah 41:4; 44:6; 48:12,17.

God:

Matthew 1:23

John 1:1,14

John 20:28

Acts 20:28

Romans 9:5

Philippians 2:5,6

Colossians 2:9

Titus 2:13

Hebrews 1:8

2 Peter 1:1

1 John 5:20. Deuteronomy 4:35,39; 1 Samuel 2:2; 2 Samuel 7:22; 1Kings 8:60; 1Chronicles 17:20; Isaiah 45:5,18,21; Joel 2:27.

Jesus

Matthew 1:21. John 17:11-12; Acts 4:10-12; Philippians 2:10.

King of kings:

Revelation 17:14. 1 Timothy 6:15; Psalm 10:16; 47:2; Zechariah 14:9

Lord of all:

Acts 10:36

Romans 10:12. Joshua 3:13; Psalm 97:5; Micah 4:13; Zechariah 4:14.

Lord of glory:

1 Corinthians 2:8. Psalm 24:10; Isaiah 42:8.

Lord of lords:

Revelation 17:14; 19:13,16. 1 Timothy 6:15; Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 136:1,3.

Rock:

1 Corinthians 10:4. 1 Samuel 2:2; 2 Samuel 22:32 = Psalm 18:31; Isaiah 30:29; 44:6-8; Habakkuk 1:12.

Saviour:

Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1,11; 3:18; 1 John 4:14 NIV. Cf. Isaiah 43:3,11; 45:21; Hosea 13:4.

The following are passages are claimed to be about Jehovah, but fulfilled in Jesus, evidently with the thought that this means that Jesus is Jehovah.

Claim: Jesus is Jehovah God:

Ephesians 4:8 with Psalm 68:18

Claim: Jesus is Jehovah of hosts

John 12:39-41 with Isaiah 6:1-10

1 Peter 2:4,8 with Isaiah 8:13,14

Claim: the Lord is Jehovah

1 Corinthians 1:31 with Jeremiah 9:24

1 Corinthian 10:9 with Numbers 21:6-9

1 Peter 2:3 with Psalm 34:8.

Claim: Jesus, the Son (of God) is Jehovah

Hebrews 1:8,10-12 with Ps 102:12,25-27.

The following are claimed to be prophecies about Jehovah applied to Jesus, again evidently with the assumption that this means that Jesus is Jehovah

Philippians 2:10-11 with Isa 45:23. Romans 14:11-12.

Claim: Jesus' first coming was Jehovah's

Matthew 3:1-3; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 3:2-4 with Isaiah 40:3.

Claim: Jesus is Jehovah our righteousness

1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:21 with Jeremiah 23:5-6.

Claim: Jesus is Jehovah betrayed

Matthew 26:15; 27:9 with Zechariah 11:13.

Claim: Jesus is Jehovah pierced

John 19:36-37 and Revelation 1:7 with Zechariah 12:1,10.

Claim: Jesus' name is Jehovah's

Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13 with Joel 2:32

Philippians 2:10-11 with Isaiah 45:23. Romans 14:11-12

Claim: Jesus' second coming with be Jehovah's

Acts 2:20 with Joel 2:31. 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10.

The following scriptures are supposed to show that attributes of Jehovah are applied to Jesus:

Claim: Jesus is eternal

Hebrews 1:8,10-12 with Psalm 102:12,25-27

Claim: Jesus is holy


Mark 1:24 with Luke 4:34; John 6:69; Acts 2:27; 13:35. Psalm 89:18; Isaiah 48:17; Jeremiah 51:5; Ezekiel 39:7

Claim: Jesus is Omniscient

Revelation 2:23 with Jeremiah 17:10.

The following scriptures are supposed to show that Jesus is Jehovah since the works of Jehovah are applied to Jesus

The claim is that "creation" is applied to Jesus

Hebrews 1:8,10 with Psalm 102:12,25-27. Psalm 33:6-9; 148:1-5; Isaiah 42:5; 44:24; 51:13

John 1:1-3,14

Colossians 1:12-16

Hebrews 1:1,2

The claim is that "judgment" is applied to Jesus

John 5:22, 27; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Romans 2:16; 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Timothy 4:1,8. 1 Samuel 2:10; 1 Chronicles 16:33; Psalm 9:7,19; 96:10,13; 98:9; Isaiah 66:16; Jeremiah 25:31.

The following scriptures are supposed to show that worship due to Jehovah is paid to Jesus

Claim: glory

Romans 16:27; Ephesians 3:21; 2 Timothy 4:18; Hebrews 13:21; 1 Peter 4:11; 2 Peter 3:18; Jude 25; Revelation 1:6; 5:13. Isaiah 42:8; 48:11.

Claim: Name above all

Philippians 2:9. Matthew 1:21; John 17:11; Acts 4:12; Ephesians 1:21; Nehemiah 9:5; Psalm 148:13

Claim: service of (?)

John 12:26. Mathew 4:10; Luke 4:8 with Deuteronomy 6:13

Claim: Witness to

Acts 1:8. Isaiah 43:10, 12

Claim: Worship of

Matthew 14:33; 28:9,17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; 20:28; Hebrews 1:6; Deuteronomy 6:13 with Matthew 4:10 & Luke 4:8; Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10.