tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post4776522107580501278..comments2024-01-19T12:25:09.941-08:00Comments on Jesus and Jehovah (Yahweh): Hebrews 1:10-12- Does Jehovah Speak to Jehovah?Ronald Dayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-40091911876098820612020-02-10T16:13:29.865-08:002020-02-10T16:13:29.865-08:00<< he Son is said by St. John to be "th...<< he Son is said by St. John to be "that eternal life (zoen ton aionion), which was with the Father, and was manifested to us" (1 Jn 1:2), >><br /><br />Yes, both Jehovah -- the only true God who sent Jesus, as well as the Son who was sent, are to us eternal life. -- Isaiah 61:1; John 17:3. <br /><br />See our study: <a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2018/04/1jhn1-1.html" rel="nofollow">That Which Was From the Beginning</a><br /><br /><< who says also, "this is the true God, and eternal life (zon aionios)". >><br /><br />Yes, the true one, the only true God of John 17:3, is to us eternal life.<br /><br />See our study: <a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/05/1john5-20.html" rel="nofollow">This is the True God</a><br /><br /><< Hence, true God = eternal life = eternal life manifested = the Son.>><br /><br />I have no scriptural reason to imagine and assume the above equations. Jesus is not the only true God who sent him, and that the only true God who sent Jesus is not Jesus.<br /><br />See our study: <a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/04/john173.html" rel="nofollow">Did Jesus Really Say That the Father is the Only True God?</a>Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-72416929881035702622020-02-10T16:09:10.094-08:002020-02-10T16:09:10.094-08:00<< the I AM (Ex 3:14; Jn 8:58 - ego eimi = I...<< the I AM (Ex 3:14; Jn 8:58 - ego eimi = I am, not I have been, or else the Father has said in Revelation, 'I have been (ego eimi) the Alpha and Omega' - Rev 1:8). >><br /><br />Jesus nowhere in John 8 declares his name to be EHJEH of Exodus 3:14. One has to take what Jesus said totally out of context in order to read such into what Jesus said. Contrary to what many may claim, Koine Greek tenses cannot be fully matched up with English time tenses. Time related to the verb is often determined by the context. Jesus was speaking of his existence "before Abraham." In such a context the verb takes on a past tense meaning extended to the present, which is indeed best rendered into English as "I have been" or at least in some way to acknowledge the past context usage.<br /><br />A Bible, A New Translation – James Moffatt – “Truly, truly I tell you,” said Jesus, “I have existed before Abraham was born.”<br />https://studybible.info/Moffatt/John%208<br />Moffatt was a trinitarian, but he showed the past tense understanding of this verse.<br /><br />Twentieth Century – “In truth I tell you,” replied Jesus, “before Abraham existed I was.”<br />http://www.archive.org/details/twentiethcentury00newyiala<br />Translated by a company of twenty scholars representing the various sections of the Christian Church.<br /><br />The Bible-An American Translation, E. Goodspeed – Jesus said to them, “I tell you, I existed before Abraham was born!”<br /><br />And many other translations render the verb in English with a past tense meaning.<br /><br />See our studies related to John 8:58:<br />https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/john.html#john8-58<br /><br />Revelation 1:8 does not state a past event in context.Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-7978740866167856452020-02-10T16:07:03.295-08:002020-02-10T16:07:03.295-08:00<< That is why Paul affirms in Psalm 102:25-...<< That is why Paul affirms in Psalm 102:25-27 that both the Father and the Son are YHWH, >><br /><br />There is nothing in anything that Paul wrote the "affirms in Psalm 102:25-27 that both the Father and the Son are" Jehovah (YHWH forms no pronounceable word in English).<br /><br />Since this does not address anything presente in the study above, but seems to ignore what is presented, we can only suggest that one actually prayerfully study what is given.Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-76368931145770030782020-02-10T16:03:58.052-08:002020-02-10T16:03:58.052-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-54167317815704952372020-02-10T16:01:38.104-08:002020-02-10T16:01:38.104-08:00<< The Son is declared to be the Maker of th...<< The Son is declared to be the Maker of the Ages (Heb 1:2). What does this mean? Any act of creation involves change of condition, which is a change of time. Therefore the Son cannot have been created by the Father, because if He had been created, He would have had a beginning in time, and in that case, he wouldn't have been the Maker of the Ages. >><br /><br />God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, (Hebrews 1:1, World English)<br />In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets, (Hebrews 1:1, Young's Literal)<br />has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he [God] appointed heir of all things, through whom also he [God] made the worlds [ages]. (Hebrews 1:2, World English)<br /><br />Ephesians 3:11 - According to a plan of the ages which he [God] made in [by means of] the anointed Jesus our Lord. -- Rotherham's Emphasized.<br /><br />The one person who is "God" in Hebrews 1:1, made the ages through -- by means of -- His son. Exactly what the ages are referred to is not given. However, contextually, it appears that this is speaking of ages related to mankind to whom God speaks through His Son. (Hebrews 1:2) There is nothing here or anywhere else in the Bible about the beginning of time (although some translations add such a thought into some verses). Being that is in reference to man, it is probably referring to the same ages as spoken of Ephesians 3:11, pertaining to God's plan of the ages for mankind.<br /><br />Hebrews 1:2, however, is in harmony with 1 Corinthians 8:6. The "one God of whom are all" is the source; the "one Lord through whom are all" is the instrument.<br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-75081997865157219592020-02-10T16:00:31.881-08:002020-02-10T16:00:31.881-08:00<< and spoke forth the universe into existen...<< and spoke forth the universe into existence (Prov 2:6, 8:22-30; Gen 1:1; Jn 1:3). >><br /><br />The word universe itself -- in its absolute sense -- means everything that exists. Since God Himself exists, God would then be part of the universe. Since God has always existed, this would mean that the universe itself has always existed. <br /><br />However, "universe" is commonly used with special application, such as the "material universe." Some use it the sense of "created universe," which would give it the application to everything created thus only excluding God who was never created. Similarly, the Bible uses some words in the same way. The Hebrew and Greek words for "all" in the Bible, rarely (if ever) means absolutely everything in the universe, or even in the created universe. What is included or excluded in the "all" spoken of has to be determined by the context as well as common evidence. <br /><br />{Proverbs 2:6} For Jehovah gives wisdom. Out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding.<br /><br />There is nothing here about the Son of God. Jehovah is the definitely the source of all true knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Jesus did not claim to the source of his own words, but he said, "The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works." Jesus -- the Logos of God" And he stated: "I do nothing of myself, but as my Father taught me, I say these things." (John 8:28) The Logos of God -- Jesus -- had to learn from the "one God of whom are all". -- 1 Corinthians 8:6.<br /><br />Regarding Proverbs 8:22-30, see our study: <br /><br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/05/prov8-22.html" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/05/prov8-22.html</a>Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-5204490340383495722020-02-10T15:58:16.104-08:002020-02-10T15:58:16.104-08:00<< which came forth from the bosom of God (J...<< which came forth from the bosom of God (Jn 8:42, 1:18), >><br /><br />{John 8:42} Therefore Jesus said to them, "If God were your father, you would love me, for I came out and have come from God. For I haven't come of myself, but he sent me.<br /><br />Jesus is here confirming what Jehovah said through Moses as recorded in Deuteronomy 18:15-19. Jesus is the foretold prophet whom Jehovah was to raise up as the prophet like Moses. -- Acts 3:13-26.<br /><br />{John 1:18} No one has seen God at any time. The only-begotten mighty one, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.<br /><br />This does not say that Jesus came from the bosom of God, but rather that Jesus is in the bosom of God. Of course, we should not think that Jehovah has a physical "bosom" as does man, but rather we should understand that John was writing of a figurative bosom. According to Adam Clarke:<br /><br />Lying in the bosom, is spoken of in reference to the Asiatic custom of reclining while at meals; the person who was next the other was said to lie in his bosom; and he who had this place in reference to the master of the feast was supposed to share his peculiar regards, and so be in a state of the utmost favor and intimacy with him. :ENDQUOTE<br />Clarke, Adam. "Commentary on John 1:18". "The Adam Clarke Commentary". <a href="https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/john-1.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/john-1.html</a>. 1832.<br /><br />Albert Barnes states:<br /><br />QUOTE: In the bosom of the Father - This expression is taken from the custom among the Orientals of reclining at their meals. See the notes at Matthew 23:6. It denotes intimacy, friendship, affection. Here it means that Jesus had a knowledge of God such as one friend has of another - knowledge of his character, designs, and nature which no other one possesses, and which renders him, therefore, qualified above all others to make him known. :ENDQUOTE<br />Barnes, Albert. "Commentary on John 1:18". "Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible". <a href="https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/john-1.html" rel="nofollow">https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/john-1.html</a>. 1870.<br /><br />James Coffman states:<br /><br />QUOTE: Who is in the bosom of the Father ... suggests the most intimate union and identity with God on the part of Christ. The bosom of the Father is best understood, not as a literal place or location, but as a state of existence. In a similar use of this expression, Jesus declared that Lazarus was in Abraham's bosom (Luke 16:22). :ENDQUOTE<br />Coffman, James Burton. "Commentary on John 1:18". "Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testament". <a href="https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/john-1.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/john-1.html</a>. Abilene Christian University Press, Abilene, Texas, USA. 1983-1999.<br /><br />See also our study: <a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2016/12/john1-18_11.html" rel="nofollow">"The Only-Begotten God"</a><br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-49927123019655706412020-02-10T15:57:21.969-08:002020-02-10T15:57:21.969-08:00<< The Son is the creative Word of the Fathe...<< The Son is the creative Word of the Father (Jn 1:1-3), >><br /><br />He whose glory the disciples saw who became flesh was, in his prehuman existence the one through whom ELOHIM created the world of the mankind and invisible sons of God. The Son is therefore the instrument in creation, in harmony with 1 Corinthians 8:6.<br /><br />The Son is the <a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/search?q=%22firstborn+creature%22" rel="nofollow">firstborn creature</a>. The Logos -- who is the Son of God -- was with the "one God of whom are all" in the beginning of the world of mankind. See our <a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#john1-1" rel="nofollow">studies related to John 1:1-3</a>. <br /><br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-34540599584334910002019-12-06T20:05:42.887-08:002019-12-06T20:05:42.887-08:00Thomas Palmieri commented:
QUOTE: Russell switches...Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: Russell switches the verse ordering of v. 23 and 24 in order to hide the connection between "My God...thy years are throughout all generations" and verses 25-27. :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />I don't find the above inverted. Russell's application; I have added verse numbers:<br /><br />[19] "For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did Jehovah behold the earth. [20] To hear the groaning of the prisoner, to loose those that are appointed to death: [21] To declare the name of Jehovah in Zion and his praise in Jerusalem, [22] when the people are gathered together and the kingdoms to serve Jehovah. [23] [Now Jesus is represented as speaking at the time of crucifixion.] He weakened my strength in the way, He shortened my days. [24] I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days. [Hear Jehovah's answer to that heart prayer.] Thy years are throughout all generations. [25] Of old thou hast laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands; [26] they shall perish, but thou shalt endure; yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment: As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed; [27] but thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end."<br /><br />The verses as presented in the American Standard Version:<br /><br />Psalms 102:19-27 - For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; From heaven did Jehovah behold the earth;[20] To hear the sighing of the prisoner; To loose those that are appointed to death;[21] That men may declare the name of Jehovah in Zion, And his praise in Jerusalem;[22] When the peoples are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve Jehovah.[23] He weakened my strength in the way; He shortened my days.[24] I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: Thy years are throughout all generations.[25] Of old didst thou lay the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the work of thy hands.[26] They shall perish, but thou shalt endure; Yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:[27] But thou art the same, And thy years shall have no end.<br /><br />I see nothing inverted.<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: Nowhere does it say God responded to the psalmist's plea in vs. 23-24. That is Russell's invention to deny Paul's linkage of Christ and YHWH, but only the gullible and the un-inquisitive are taken in by such deception. Please stop defending the indefensible! :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />This would deny what is written in Hebrews 1.<br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-55712633501959073742019-12-06T20:05:01.359-08:002019-12-06T20:05:01.359-08:00Thomas Palmieri commented:
QUOTE: Russell is putti...Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: Russell is putting words into Psalm 102:25-27 which are not there when he says that it is Christ on the cross crying out to God not to cut His years short (Did Paul Misquote?), :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />It is Hebrews 1 that identifies the one person who is God of Hebrews 1:1 as speaking to His Son in Psalm 102:25-27; Russell simply showed the application.<br /><br />"of the Son he [the one person who is God of Hebrews 1:1-7] saith" -- Hebrews 1:8.<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: for Christ embraced His death for the sake of suffering humanity, He did not ask to be spared, who said in the garden, not as I will, but as thou wilt (Mt 26:39). :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />The word "Christ" refers to one anointed; as applied to Jesus, it refers to the one whom Jehovah -- the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- anointed. -- Psalm 2:6; 45:7; Daniel 9:24; Isaiah 61:1; Acts 4:27; 10:38; Hebrews 1:9.<br /><br />Matthew 26:39 - And he went forward a little, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.<br /><br />Jesus is definitely not Jehovah, the "one God of whom are all." -- 1 Corinthians 8:6.<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: It was indeed the psalmist who said to YHWH, "thy years are throughout all generations (verse 24), thou hast laid the foundations of the earth (verse 25)' & etc. :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />This would mean that Hebrews 1 would be identifying the Psalmist as being the God of Jesus.<br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-50311694388451487102019-12-06T20:01:29.211-08:002019-12-06T20:01:29.211-08:00Thomas Palmieri commented:
QUOTE: The Father is tr...Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: The Father is true God and eternal life (1 Jn 5:20); the Son of God is "that eternal life, which was with the Father (from all eternity!), and manifested to us" (1 Jn 1:2). <br /> God = eternal life = eternal life :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />There is no reason to imagine, assume, add to, and read into the above scriptures that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and to further imagine, assume, add to, and read into the scriptures that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is more than one person, and then to further imagine, assume, add to, and read into the scriptures that Jesus is one of the persons of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.<br /><br />John 17:3 tells us the it is eternal life to us to know the only true God and additionally the one whom the only true Gop sent.<br /><br />For our related study:<br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2018/04/1jhn1-1.html" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2018/04/1jhn1-1.html</a><br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: manifested = the Son. The Son or Word was in the bosom of the Father (Jn 1:18), :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />The Son of God is indeed in the figurative bosom of his God and Father. Jesus came to declare the "one God of whom are all." -- 1 Corinthians 8:6<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: and came forth out of the Father (Jn 8:42), :ENDQUOTE<br />Yes, Jesus came forth out from the only true God.<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: His creative word (Jn 1:3), :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />John 1:3 does reveal that the Word, the Son of God, as the instrument that God used in creating the World of Mankind. -- John 1:10.<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: which He spoke forth (Prov 2:6) :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />Proverbs 2:6 - For Jehovah gives wisdom; out of His mouth are knowledge and understanding. -- Green's Literal.<br /><br />Evidently, it is being read into this verse that "wisdom" refers to Jesus. I don't think that this is what is meant in this verse. If it does, it certain would distinguish Jesus from being Jehovah, and would have to be understood as being the instrument of the "one God." -- 1 Corinthians 8:6.<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri commented:<br />QUOTE: when He fashioned the world into existence (Prov 8:22-30). :ENDQUOTE <br /><br />I do believe that Jehovah did make use of his firstborn son in the creation of the world of mankind. See my related study:<br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/05/prov8-22.html" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/05/prov8-22.html</a><br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-76358589105844343632019-12-06T19:58:57.617-08:002019-12-06T19:58:57.617-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-16477743751890864972019-12-06T18:02:45.359-08:002019-12-06T18:02:45.359-08:00Thomas Palmieri stated:
QUOTE: There is no divisio...Thomas Palmieri stated:<br />QUOTE: There is no division of substance or being (i.e. the uncreated light) between the Father and Son, who are one (Jn 10:30). :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />There is no reason to imagine, assume, and the add the above to the Bible. John 10:30 definitely says nothing about the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit as being all the "one God of whom are all," or that they all three have the substance of being the Supreme Being who is the source of all.<br /><br />For studies related to John 10:30:<br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#john10-30" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#john10-30</a><br /><br />Thomas Palmieri stated:<br />QUOTE: YHWH in Hebrew means "He is"(third person singular of "to be"- Jewish Encyclopedia, Names of God). "He is", therefore, is a designation that can properly be applied to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit alike, into whose sacred name, not names, the faithful are to be baptized, according to the ordainment of Christ Himself (Mt 28:19). Our baptismal vow itself, therefore, expresses an implicit Trinitarian form of belief. :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />And yet, in the Bible, the Holy Name often rendered as "Jehovah" is only applied to the "one God of whom are all." It is never applied to the "one Lord through whom are all." -- 1 Corinthians 8:6.<br /><br />For studies related to the Holy Name:<br />https://nameofyah.blogspot.com/p/on-this-site.html<br /><br />Thomas Palmieri stated:<br />QUOTE: The word of God designates the Son or Word as creative word of the Father which abides in the bosom of the Father (Jn 1:18), through which ALL THINGS THAT WERE MADE HAVE BEEN MADE (Jn 1:3) - no exceptions. "YHWH giveth :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />The Word of God is designated as being instrument, not the source, of the creation that "one God of whom are all" created by means of the "one Lord through whom are all." (1 Corinthians 8:6) Jesus is no where spoken of as being the Creator in the Bible.<br />Related studies:<br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/jesus-and-creation.html" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/jesus-and-creation.html</a>Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-75798585081990749982019-12-06T18:00:48.223-08:002019-12-06T18:00:48.223-08:00Thomas Palmieri stated:
QUOTE: Obviously, you don&...Thomas Palmieri stated:<br />QUOTE: Obviously, you don't understand Hebrews 1 at all. Hebrews 1:3 describes the Son as the 'brightness (apaugasma - beaming forth - of the Father's glory;. :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />It is quite obvious that "God" in Hebrews 1:3 refers to only one person; this is the same one person who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob of Exodus 3:15 and Acts 3:13. This is the same as the "one God of whom are all." Only the God and Father of Jesus is the "one God of whom are all." -- 1 Coriunthians 8:6; Ephesians 1:3,17-23.<br /><br />The Greek word transliterated as "apaugasma" only appears once in the Bible; it does not appear anywhere else except in Hebrews 1:3. Thayer defines this Greek word (Strong's 541), not only as effulgence, shining forth coming from an luminous body, but as "reflected brightness: of Christ in that he perfectly reflects the majesty of God." Jesus is light only in his obedience by which he reflects the glory of His God. He has never fallen short of reflecting the glory of his God. -- Romans 3:23.<br /><br />https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/541.html<br /><br />For various studies related to Hebrews 1:<br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#heb1-1" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#heb1-1</a><br /><br />Thomas Palmieri stated:<br />QUOTE: God is light (1 Jn 1:5),<br />the Son is "true light"; (Jn 1:9). :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />And the followers of Jesus are the "light of the world." -- Matthew 5:14.<br /><br />Obviously, "light" applied to the followers of Jesus does not mean that the followers of Jesus are all the Supreme Being.<br /><br />John 1:9 - The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. -- Revised Standard Version.<br /><br />John 1:9 is referring to Jesus while he was in the world of mankind that was made through him. -- John 1:3,10.<br /><br />John 9:5 - As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." -- Revised Standard Version.<br /><br />Jehovah sent his son into the world of mankind with the foreknowledge that He would remain faithful (Acts 2:23; Romans 4:17; 1 Peter 1:19,20), that he would true light that was to enlighten every man. Jesus was the first man to never once disobeyed his God and Father; he remained obedient even until death. (Philippians 2:8) Due to his being faithful in remaining without sin, he is true light for mankind. By his obedience he had the price to pay to his God in order to free man from the condemnation of death, by which victory he brought life and incorruption to light for mankind. -- Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; 1 Timothy 1:10; 2:5,6; Matthew 26:26-28; Luke 22:19; Romans 3:25; 1 Corinthians 15:39-41; Colossians 1:14; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 2:9; 9:14; 10:10-12; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5.<br /><br />In the context, we find that this light is indeed referring to a person who, unlike the dying human race in Adam, had "life" in him. (John 1:4) Jesus used a similar expression as recorded in John 6:53. Obviously, to have life in oneself means to have an uncondemned life, similar to what Adam had before Adam sinned. In the case of Jesus, however, God gave to Jesus, in his flesh, life that is not condemned in Adam, but unlike Adam, Jesus remained faithful to God, and never once sinned. Thus, Jesus "was" -- while he the days of his flesh -- the first to bring "life and incorruption" to light, making himself, while he was in the world condemned in Adam, the light of the world. Jesus, however, willingly gave up his life as human in order to buy back what Adam lost.<br /><br />For studies related to John 1:<br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#john1-1" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#john1-1</a>Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-17038955456319897102019-10-12T18:34:25.700-07:002019-10-12T18:34:25.700-07:00The Son is the creative Word of the Father (Jn 1:1...The Son is the creative Word of the Father (Jn 1:1-3), which came forth from the bosom of God (Jn 8:42, 1:18), and spoke forth the universe into existence (Prov 2:6, 8:22-30; Gen 1:1; Jn 1:3). The Son is declared to be the Maker of the Ages (Heb 1:2). What does this mean? Any act of creation involves change of condition, which is a change of time. Therefore the Son cannot have been created by the Father, because if He had been created, He would have had a beginning in time, and in that case, he wouldn't have been the Maker of the Ages. The Son is said by St. John to be "that eternal life (zoen ton aionion), which was with the Father, and was manifested to us" (1 Jn 1:2), who says also, "this is the true God, and eternal life (zon aionios)". Hence, true God = eternal life = eternal life manifested = the Son. That is why Paul affirms in Psalm 102:25-27 that both the Father and the Son are YHWH, the I AM (Ex 3:14; Jn 8:58 - ego eimi = I am, not I have been, or else the Father has said in Revelation, 'I have been (ego eimi) the Alpha and Omega' - Rev 1:8).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-88265393619531113592019-10-07T16:14:09.633-07:002019-10-07T16:14:09.633-07:00You obviously do not understand Hebrews Chapter 1....You obviously do not understand Hebrews Chapter 1. In verse 1:3 Paul says the Son 'is the brightness (apaugasma - 'beaming forth' - KITGS) of the Father's glory'. God is light (1 Jn 1:5), the Son is true light (Jn 1:9). There is no separation or division in the eternal uncreated light of Godhead between the Father and Son. How do you separate light from its brightness? The Father is true God and eternal life (1 Jn 5:20); the Son of God is "that eternal life, which was with the Father (from all eternity!), and manifested to us" (1 Jn 1:2). God = eternal life = eternal life manifested = the Son. The Son or Word was in the bosom of the Father (Jn 1:18), and came forth out of the Father (Jn 8:42), His creative word (Jn 1:3), which He spoke forth (Prov 2:6) when He fashioned the world into existence (Prov 8:22-30). Russell is putting words into Psalm 102:25-27 which are not there when he says that it is Christ on the cross crying out to God not to cut His years short (Did Paul Misquote?), for Christ embraced His death for the sake of suffering humanity, He did not ask to be spared, who said in the garden, not as I will, but as thou wilt (Mt 26:39). It was indeed the psalmist who said to YHWH, "thy years are throughout all generations (verse 24), thou hast laid the foundations of the earth (verse 25)' & etc. Russell switches the verse ordering of v. 23 and 24 in order to hide the connection between "My God...thy years are throughout all generations" and verses 25-27. Nowhere does it say God responded to the psalmist's plea in vs. 23-24. That is Russell's invention to deny Paul's linkage of Christ and YHWH, but only the gullible and the un-inquisitive are taken in by such deception. Please stop defending the indefensible!Thomas Palmierihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06592180089547835855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-61761266145614889532019-10-07T13:26:41.673-07:002019-10-07T13:26:41.673-07:00Obviously, you don't understand Hebrews 1 at a...Obviously, you don't understand Hebrews 1 at all. Hebrews 1:3 describes the Son as the 'brightness (apaugasma - beaming forth - KITGS)of the Father's glory'. God is light (1 Jn 1:5), the Son is 'true light' (Jn 1:9). There is no division of substance or being (i.e. the uncreated light) between the Father and Son, who are one (Jn 10:30). YHWH in Hebrew means 'He is'(third person singular of 'to be'- Jewish Encyclopedia, Names of God). 'He is', therefore, is a designation that can properly be applied to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit alike, into whose sacred name, not names, the faithful are to be baptized, according to the ordainment of Christ Himself (Mt 28:19). Our baptismal vow itself, therefore, expresses an implicit Trinitarian form of belief. The word of God designates the Son or Word as creative word of the Father which abides in the bosom of the Father (Jn 1:18), through which ALL THINGS THAT WERE MADE HAVE BEEN MADE (Jn 1:3) - no exceptions. "YHWH giveth wisdom out of his mouth" (Prov 2:6). The Son comes forth from the very recesses of the Father, as Christ affirms, when He says, literally, in the Greek, "I came out of God and came forth" (Jn 8:42). Likewise Proverbs 8:22-30 describes an act of intellectual reflection on God's part (wisdom being God's image - Col 1:15, Heb 1:3), not His creating an archangelic personality as helpmate in His creative works. Moreover, the same idea of God hidden (Father) [i.e. hidden eternal and uncreated light]and God manifested (Son) [manifested uncreated eternal light] can be found at Titus 2:13, which speaks of the "manifestation of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (i.e. God manifest), and in 1 John, which speaks of the Father as "true God and eternal life" (1 Jn 5:20), and of the Son as 'that eternal life, which was with the Father (from all eternity!) and manifested to us' (1 Jn 1:2). Hence, the Father = eternal life = eternal life manifested = the Son. Hence the Son is the "image of God" (Col 1:15), and "the exact representation of his very being" (Heb 1:2). A created and delimited archangel (Michael, taught incorrectly by the JWs to be the only begotten Son of God )is not the exact representation of the infinite God of the universe, but one of His 'flaming ministers', as Hebrews 1:5 informs us. Paul clearly states that God says to the Son (i.e. it is written in God's word), that what is written of YHWH in Psalm 102:25-27 applies directly to the Son of God Himself. This article tries to obfuscate a very clear and simple truth by leading us far astray from the text as it has been given to us, because it directly refutes the erroneous teachings of the Watchtower Society in respect to the person and nature of the Son of God, which is the product of a very simplistic picture thinking mode of understanding, rather than of spiritual intuition, what Paul referred to as babes milk, in distinction to spiritual meat (Heb 5:12). Oh Witnesses, raise your minds from the things of the flesh to those of the spirit! <br /><br />Thomas PalmieriThomas Palmierihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06592180089547835855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-50090858735393570892017-10-15T14:12:36.775-07:002017-10-15T14:12:36.775-07:00Q:You rambled on and on providing an explanation t... <br />Q:You rambled on and on providing an explanation to something that bright no strength or Proof to your argument (what is new heaven and earth, what is creation, etc etc..:<br /><br />Without some exact designation as to what is being referred to, the above is too general to actually do any response. I will ask, however, what do you believe was the world (kosmos) -- the heavens and earth -- that perished in the flood of Noah's day? -- 2 Peter 3:5,6.<br /><br />For further study:<br />Jehovah's Plan of the Ages<br />http://bible-covenants.blogspot.com/2016/11/ages.html<br /><br />Q:When it comes down to it, your only real support for your interpretation, is by you having to add "Jehovah then responds to the Messiah, His son:" <br /> This is NOT what is written.:<br /><br />Who is the one person who is God in Hebrews 1:1? Is it not Jehovah, who spoke through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. While not directly stated, it has to be Jehovah, one person who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as spoken of in Exodus 3:14,15; Deuteronomy 18:15-19 and Acts 3:13-26, and it is the one person who is Jehovah who speaks of His Son (Hebrews 1:8), and speaks to His Son as it is stated Hebrews 1:6, by the words of Hebrews 1:10. Otherwise, Hebrews 1 is false.<br /><br />One might wish to also see:<br /><a href="http://mostholyfaith.com/Beta/bible/reprints/Z1883FEB.asp#R448:14" rel="nofollow">Did Paul Misquote?</a><br /><br />Q: You're adding words to the scriptures. Revelations 23:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.:<br /><br />Does not apply. However, if one would wish to think that God who was not Jesus spoke to God who is Jesus in Hebrews 1:10, that is definitely adding to what is stated, since it should be obvious that it is the one person who is God in Hebrews 1:1,2, who speaks to His son in Hebrews 1:10. One definitely has to add to, and read into, any scripture in the Bible, that God is more than one person, and that Jesus is a person of God (added-on trinity dogma), or that Jesus is both God (the Father of Jesus) and the Son of God (allegedly the Son of Jesus, oneness, modalist, dogma).Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-28516265262427947702017-10-15T14:08:08.277-07:002017-10-15T14:08:08.277-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-40361428239083430572017-03-23T01:55:48.680-07:002017-03-23T01:55:48.680-07:00sound and bible-based reasoning. tnxsound and bible-based reasoning. tnxDalmatinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13082980742973376559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-7871779310494594152017-03-14T11:54:58.701-07:002017-03-14T11:54:58.701-07:00You rambled on and on providing an explanation to ...You rambled on and on providing an explanation to something that bright no strength or Proof to your argument (what is new heaven and earth, what is creation, etc etc..)<br />When it comes down to it, your only real support for your interpretation, is by you having to add "Jehovah then responds to the Messiah, His son:"<br /><br />This is NOT what is written. You're adding words to the scriptures. Revelations 23:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14838176935928310958noreply@blogger.com