tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post482401115339806377..comments2024-01-19T12:25:09.941-08:00Comments on Jesus and Jehovah (Yahweh): John 1:1,2 - Is Jesus "God" Whom He was With?Ronald Dayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-91741512742222270562020-02-11T11:41:56.133-08:002020-02-11T11:41:56.133-08:00The above facts and hypotheses may be interesting,...The above facts and hypotheses may be interesting, but how is this supposed to be tied in with the above study regarding John 1:1,2?Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-10611153813063466222019-12-01T13:45:48.099-08:002019-12-01T13:45:48.099-08:00the Ugaritic scriptures identify El and his wife A...the Ugaritic scriptures identify El and his wife Asherah, who is also called Elat (Ugaritic ilt), i.e. "Goddess", the feminine form of El, as having seventy sons. In the Ugaritic texts KTU² 1.40 has bn il means "sons of god", and KTU² 1.65 has mphrt bn il "the totality of the sons of god." (the word "il" interpreted as "god")<br />This matches well with Gen 6:2 bənê hāʼĕlōhîm (בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים) "the sons of Elohim" and Psalm 29:1 bənê ēlîm (בְּנֵי אֵלִים) "sons of god(s)"<br />Ēl is is also called Tפru ‘Ēl ("Bull Ēl" or "the bull god"). bātnyu binwāti ("Creator of creatures"), ’abū banī ’ili ("father of the gods"), and qāniyunu ‘פlam ("creator eternal"), the same as the Hebrew ’ēl ‘פlam "God Eternal" in Genesis 21.33. <br />In the Semitic Hittite's texts there is ’Ēl qōne ’arṣ meaning "ʼĒl creator of Earth" (also abbreviated as ILKUNIRSA), who is the husband of Asherdu (Asherah) and father of 77 or 88 sons.<br />Not only by the Christians, originalyl the Hebrew TANAKH also referred to those sons of ELYON in Deuteronomy 32, as shown in the Dead Sea Scrolls, but it was manipulated by the Masoretic editors, who changed the text in Deuteronomy, which read, according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, "When Elyon gave the nations an inheritance, when he divided humankind, he set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of Bull El’s sons, and YHWH’s portion was his people, Jacob, the lot of his inheritance. – Deuteronomy 32:8-9. <br />They eliminated "sons of El" and changed it to "sons of Israel".<br />Cosmogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255446427779541191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-2807534407129140802019-12-01T13:33:39.264-08:002019-12-01T13:33:39.264-08:00Cosmosgenes stated:
QUOTE: also appearing as the...Cosmosgenes stated: <br /><br />QUOTE: also appearing as the secondary deity or LOGOS in PHilo and in John, or as Kyrios (Lord, Adonai) in Paul. :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />Adonai is a transliterated form given by Masoretes. It is formed by adding a vowel point from the word transliterated as ADONI (or ADONY, meaning 'my lord'). The Masoretes added the vowel point wherever they thought ADONI was referring to Jehovah (some places are disputed). The Greek form of often transliterated as KURIOS/KYRIOS corresponds with all forms of ADON in the Old Testament. Forms of ADON are not limited to being apply to the God of Israel, nor are forms of KYRIOS/KURIOS limited to being applied to the God of Israel, or the Son in the New Testament.<br /><br />Cosmosgenes stated: <br /><br />QUOTE: That deity is then identified as Jesus Christos. on John 1:1,2 :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />The Logos is identified as the Son of the THEOS whom he was with in the beginning of the world of mankind.<br />https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#john1-1<br /><br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-82439304541506977712019-12-01T13:31:41.732-08:002019-12-01T13:31:41.732-08:00Cosmosgenes stated:
QUOTE: This EL became recogn...Cosmosgenes stated: <br /><br />QUOTE: This EL became recognized as the THEOS (GOD) by John as well as by Paul ("We have one THEOS (God) and one KYRIOS (Lord). :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />All forms of EL are translated in the New Testament by form of the word often transliterated as THEOS. In the Old Testament, forms of El usually, but not always, is used in reference to Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Likewise, in the New Testament, forms of THEOS is usually in reference of Jehovah of the Old Testament, but not always.<br />https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/112.html<br /><br />For some studiess regarding John's usage of theos related both to the God of Israel and His Son:<br />https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#john1-1<br /><br />Cosmosgenes stated: <br /><br />QUOTE: The son of that Theos was YHWH, :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />Jehovah is never depicted as being anyone's son. Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Exodus 3:15) spoke through the prophets of old, and now He speaks through His Son. (Hebrews 1:1,2) <br /><br />Exodus 3:15 - And God said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial from generation to generation. -- Green's Literal.<br /><br />Hebrews 1:1-2 - God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [2] has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds. -- World English.<br /><br />Jehovah has a son, but Jehovah is never depicted as being a son. Jesus is the Son of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.<br />Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-19331972832082023092019-12-01T13:30:30.763-08:002019-12-01T13:30:30.763-08:00Cosmosgenes stated:
QUOTE: The Jews had a suprem...Cosmosgenes stated: <br /><br />QUOTE: The Jews had a supreme being, called EL or ELYON, who had a son named YHWH. :ENDQUOTE<br /><br />YHWH in English forms no word; I assume it is based on the way some transliterate the Holy Name of the God of Israel from ancient Hebrew without any vowels. Since no name in ancient Hebrew contained any written vowels, if one wishes to represent the Holy Name in English without vowels, to be consistent, it would appear that one would do the same with every name in the Old Testatment.<br />For some of my studies related the Holy Name:<br /><a href="https://nameofyah.blogspot.com/p/on-this-site.html" rel="nofollow">https://nameofyah.blogspot.com/p/on-this-site.html<br /></a><br /><br />Forms of the words of transliterated as EL (Strong's 410,430,433) applied to the God of Israel is always in reference to Jehovah. Jehovah is never depicted as being anyone's son, but he is from everlasting to everlasting. <br /><br />1 Chronicles 16:36 - Blessed be Jehovah, the God of Israel, from everlasting even to everlasting. And all the people said, Amen, and gave praise to Jehovah. -- Green's Literal.<br /><br />Psalms 41:13 - Blessed be Jehovah God of Israel, even from everlasting to everlasting! Amen and Amen! -- Green's Literal.<br /><br />Psalms 106:48 - Blessed is Jehovah God of Israel, from everlasting even to everlasting. And let all the people say, Amen! Praise Jehovah! -- Green's Literal.<br /><br />Jehovah is the ELOHIM of Israel.<br /><br />Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/410.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/410.html</a><br /><a href="https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/430.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/430.html</a><br /><a href="https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/433.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/433.html</a><br /><br />Elyon is an title given to Jehovah, meaning Highest, Most High. <br /><a href="https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/5945.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/5945.html</a><br /><a href="https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5946.htm" rel="nofollow">https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5946.htm</a><br /><a href="https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5946b.htm" rel="nofollow">https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5946b.htm</a><br /><br />Many authors speak of the various titles of Jehovah as being names, but more correctly they are titles. There is only one Holy Name of God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:<br /><a href="https://nameofyah.blogspot.com/2008/10/holyname.html" rel="nofollow">https://nameofyah.blogspot.com/2008/10/holyname.html</a><br /><br />For a general study of the Hebraic Usage of forms of EL:<br /><a href="https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2016/09/hebraicusage.html" rel="nofollow">https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2016/09/hebraicusage.html</a>Ronald Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428695352830083280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081748873678351197.post-34190861091536463852019-09-13T14:57:37.519-07:002019-09-13T14:57:37.519-07:00The Jews had a supreme being, called EL or ELYON, ...The Jews had a supreme being, called EL or ELYON, who had a son named YHWH. This EL became recognized as the THEOS (GOD) by John as well as by Paul ("We have one THEOS (God) and one KYRIOS (Lord). The son of that Theos was YHWH,also appearing as the secondary deity or LOGOS in PHilo and in John, or as Kyrios (Lord, Adonai) in Paul. That deity is then identified as Jesus Christos.Cosmogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255446427779541191noreply@blogger.com