Saturday, November 27, 2010

Is Jesus the Creator?

Connected with the idea that Jesus is Jehovah (Yahweh) is the assumption that Jesus is the Creator. (By "the Creator" is meant the title often given to God -- the Supreme Being -- as being the Source of creation.) Scriptures often cited as proof of that Jesus is the Creator are John 1:3; Colossians 1:16,17 and sometimes Hebrews 1:3,10,11. The claim is that these verses prove that Jesus is "the Creator", and hence that Jesus is Jehovah, the Supreme Being, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (Exodus 3:15; Acts 3:13) Additionally, Isaiah 44:24 is often offered as proof that Jehovah was alone at creation, and thus, if Jesus was at the creation, Jesus must have been Jehovah. 

Actually, there is nothing in any of the above verses that identify Jesus as the Creator -- the source of creation. The word “creator” is never used of Jesus in the Bible. That thought is being imagined, assumed, added to, and read into the scriptures. Jesus himself applied the words “creator” and “creation” to his God and Father, but never to himself. — Mark 10:6; 13:19.

John 1:3

John 1:1-10 shows that Father, the only true God of John 17:1,3, created the world of mankind through His Logos.

In John 1:3,10, we have the Logos as being the one through whom ELOHIM of Genesis 1:1 made the world [kosmos] of mankind, the world into which the Logos came, the same world [kosmos] that became corrupted through the sin of one man. (Romans 5:12-19; 8:20-22) The world being spoken in John 1:3,10 does not include the angels, for Job 38:4-6 lets us know that the angels were already in existence at the "beginning" of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1.

Many point out that in John 1:3, John says that not one thing was made without the Word, and they like to stress that John used both a form of the Greek word often transliterated as "pas" and it is alleged that he emphasized that this includes absolutely all creation by using a form of the word often transliterated as oude (negative - not, none, no) to say that without him not (oude) one (hen, neuter) thing was created. It is claimed that this means that it is "universal in scope", meaning that it absolutely refers to everything that was created, and thus it is claimed that this would exclude Jesus from having been created. However, the Greek words used rarely mean absolutely "all" in such a sense. A study of forms of the word often transliterated "pas" (all, every, etc.) shows that it is rarely, if ever, used as that which is often assumed in John 1:3; all forms of "pas" always look to context as well as to common evidence (1 Corinthians 15:27)  for what is included or excluded in the "all" being spoken of.

For instance, we have a similar usage in Hebrews 2:6-8, based on Psalm 8:4-6, discussing God's original purpose that "all" be made subject to man. Hebrews 2:8 likewise uses a similar positive form of pas and a similar negative form of oude; if one is consistent with the assumed reasoning as often applied to John 1:3, one would also have to say that that which was subjected to man is "universal in scope." And yet Psalm 8:7,8 limits whatever universal scope might be applied to the usage of Hebrews 2:8; the original dominion given to man pertains universally only to the things on the earth. -- Genesis 1:26,28.

To elaborate, in Hebrews 2:8, in speaking of what has been subjected to man as spoken of in Psalm 8:6, we read: "For in that he subjected all things to him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now [due to the sin of Adam, man has been subjected to futility -- Romans 5:12-19; 8:20] we don’t see all things subjected to him, yet." Note that the scripture says that God left nothing that is not subject to him (man). Does this mean that God subjected absolutely everything in the entire universe to man? Absolutely not! Psalm 8:7,8 describes the "all things" that was subjected to man, which corresponds with Genesis 1:26,28. All that was subjected to man pertains to all the earth, not absolutely all in the universe.

Likewise, there is an indication of the same limitation of the scope of panta in John 1:3. John 1:10 speaks of the world (kosmos) that the Logos came into as the world that was made through the Logos. That world did not recognize Jesus (the Logos who lived among the disciples, and whose human glory was seen by them. -- John 1:.14. The world in John 1:10 It is this same "world" that Jesus spoke of as recorded in John 17:5. Matthew 24:21 and Mark 13:19 refer to the beginning of the world (kosmos); this world is described in John 1:10 as the world into which the Word came, but which world did not recognize the Word in their midst. Likewise, it is the same "world" that Paul wrote about in Romans 5:12 and Peter spoke of in  2 Peter 1:4. This "world" does not include the spirit sons of God, the angels who are always able to see God's face, even though we have every reason to believe that these invisible spirit sons of God were at some time created. The scriptures indicate that these invisible spirit sons of God were created before the beginning, the creation, of the world of mankind, since scripture shows that the spirit sons of God were already in existence at the beginning of the world of mankind. (Job 38:4-8; Colossians 1:15,16) This brings us to the conclusion that John 1:3,10 is speaking of the world of mankind, not the entire material universe, nor of the angels. This is the "world" that the Word came into, and that did not recognize him. (John 1:10) Thus, it can be seen that the NT writers in connection with "the beginning" of creation understood that this beginning was in reference to things upon the planet earth, not to the entire universe itself.

The Greek word "hen" -- one -- of John 1:3 refers back to "the beginning" spoken of in John 1:1, which is the beginning, not of the entire universe, but of the world (kosmos spoken of in John 1:10), the six days of creation of the land (earth) and the sky (heavens) and the things in them as seen from the surface of the planet. -- Genesis 1:1,3-31; Exodus 20:11; 31:17.

To illustrate further, another form of the Greek word "pas" is used in Romans 8:22: "For we know that all [pasa] creation groans and travails in pain together until now." The "all creation" that is being referred to in Romans 8:22 is not the angels, the stars, the sun, the moon, etc., but rather the world of mankind that has been subjected to vanity (Romans 8:20; Ecclesiastes 1:2,13-15) due to Adam’s sin. (Romans 5:12-19) Thus, absolutely "all creation" in the universe is not included in "all creation", neither in Romans 8:20, nor in what is said in John 1:3. Indeed, if one does a study of the usage of all forms of the word "pas" in the New Testament, one will see that this word rarely means absolutely everything in the universe, but that it is always understood in the context as well as common evidence. John 1:10 indicates that in John 1:3, the "all" that is being referred to is the world of mankind, as it is in Romans 8:22. The only true God (John 17:1,3) is the Creator (Mark 10:6; 13:19); the prehuman Jesus is the instrument — the agent — that the Creator used to bring into being the creation that is being spoken of.


Colossians 1:15-18

In Colossians 1:15-18 the use of the Greek transliterated as "en" as related to the Son and "God" begins in Colossians 1:12 where it shows that the God and Father of Jesus is the original source of the action and Colossians 1:13,14 shows that the action is done by means (Greek, en) the Son. As throughout the New Testament, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is spoken of in Colossians 1:3 as only one person, and that is the God and Father of Jesus. It is the one who is identified as a unipersonal "God" who is "Father" in Colossians 1:12, who is distinguished from his son in Colossians 1:13, and who "by means of" the son in verse 14 that God redeems through the blood of Jesus. In Colossians 1:15, "God" is again distinguished from the son, and in verse 15 we again find the word "en" being used in an instrumental sense, referring back to the Creator in Colossians 1:15, of whom Jesus is designated the firstborn of his creation. God, then, by means of Jesus, made the all in heavens and earth, both visible and invisible thrones, dominions, principalities, etc., (that is the living dominions both in heaven and earth, which excludes the material universe itself. The Bible indicates that God was alone when he created the material universe. Isaiah 44:24 does not refer to the creation of the heavens and earth, the beginning, of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1, but rather of the actual creation of the material universe itself, before the six days of creation spoken of in Genesis 1:3-2:1; Exodus 20:11; 31:17,  and the singular "day" of creation spoken of in Genesis 2:4. The planet earth itself already "was" before the beginning of the six days of creation. -- Genesis 1:2.


Isaiah 44:24

Isaiah 44:24 - Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things (Strong's Hebrew #3605 - KOL); that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth (who is with me?);

The word "things" above is added by the translators. Jehovah formed Israel and made all. The Hebrew word often transliterated as KOL, meaning "all", rarely, if ever, in the Bible means absolutely everything in the universe. Absolutely everything would include God himself.

Jehovah stretched the heavens and spread abroad the earth. The latter part especially appears to be referring to the creation of the material universe itself. While "alone" here could be in comparison to the idol gods of the nations who did not form Israel or bring forth the universe, if Jehovah was totally alone when he created the material universe, it would mean that he who is the Logos was not yet created. Jehovah was definitely not totally alone at the beginning spoken of in Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1, since Job 38:4-7 speaks of the spirit sons of God as being present at that time. Thus, Isaiah 44:24 would have to be speaking of an event before the "beginning" of the world of mankind spoken of in John 1:1-3,10; 17:5, and before God brought forth his firstborn son. -- Colossians 1:15.

If Isaiah 44:24 is speaking of the creation of the material universe, as I presented, the creation spoken of in Isaiah 44:24 takes place before the creation of the firstborn son of Colossians 1:15, and before the "all" spoken of in Colossians 1:16. The creation spoken of in Isaiah 44:24 was before the "beginning" of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1-3,10, since there many sons of God present at that beginning. -- Job 38:4-7l.


Hebrews 1:10,11

Hebrews 1:10,11 indicates that in perishing, the present world, the present heavens and earth will be "changed". Jesus spoke of the present heavens and earth as passing away. (Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31;  Luke 21:33; see also 2 Peter 3:10 and Revelation 21:1) This is not speaking of the heavens where the angels always are able to see the face of God (Matthew 18:10), nor is it speaking of the physical sun, moon, planets, and stars above. Isaiah 65:17 shows that God is creating a new heavens and new earth, a new creation, and that this new heavens and new earth will remain. (Isaiah 66:22) Revelation 21:1-5 reveals that God is to make all things new -- a regeneration of that which was lost through Adam. 
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A careful examination of the scriptures, therefore, does not give us any reason to think that Jesus is the Creator, but rather that the Creator, his God and Father, created all that is being spoken of through, or by means of, of his son.

See also our resource page for links to studies related to Jesus and Creation

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3 comments:

  1. Responding to comments:
    What did Jesus Christ* create? part one

    The kosmos that God made through Jesus was indeed corrupted through sin and, as such, has been subjected to the sun of vanity (Ecclesiastes 1:14; 2:14,17,19; 4:17; Romans 8:20), and, having grown old in its sin, it is to perish. (Hebrews 1:11) The world made through Jesus was not always corrupt and evil/bad (Genesis 1:31), but it was into this "world" (kosmos) that sin came, which brought forth the world's corrupted/bad/evil condition. (Romans 5:12) Peter speaks of the new creation as escaping the corruption that is in the world through lust, referring back to the corruption that began in Genesis, by which God subjected all to a bondage of corruption. -- 2 Peter 1:4; Genesis 3:6; Romans 1:19-2:1; 8:20,21.

    Jesus was not born into this world as "of the world"; his body was specially prepared by God (Hebrews 5:5), a human creation separate from the condemned human creation, so that while he was born into this world, be was not born into the sin of this world. (Matthew 1:20; Hebrews 10:5 -- Not having the sin of Adam, he had a body that he could offer for sin. -- Hebrews 10:10) Likewise, the sons of God (John 1:12; 10:35), being begotten (born) of God (John 3:13; 1 John 3:9), new creatures (2 Corinthians 5;17), begotten of incorruptible seed (Jesus, by his obedience, proved himself incorruptible -- 2 Timothy 1:10; 1 Peter 1:23), are not of this condemned world (kosmos), the old creation now subjected to corruption. -- John 15:19; 17:14,16; Romans 8:15,16.

    Jesus said he came to save this world (kosmos -- John 3:17; 12:46,17), which refers to the world already judged through Adam. (John 3:18; Romans 5:12-19 -- A world not already condemned would not need to be saved.) John wrote: "he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole [a form of "pas" is used here] world [kosmos]." (1 John 2:2) It should be evident that "pas" and "kosmos" here refers to mankind and that Jesus did not die for the sins of the spirit beings, but it was for the sins of mankind whose sins are all counted in Adam. (Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22) Thus, kosmos again is referring to the world that was made througah Jesus, but which became corrupted through sin, and in need of redemption.

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  2. The links such as http://godandson.reslight.net/archives/750.html do not work...is there an updated set of links?

    Thanks

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  3. Well done. My favourite passage since I came across it is Proverbs 8:22-9. It's Jesus explaining that he is the first of all God's creations. From then, God assigned him as His Master Worker. Through Jesus, all things would be created. I've never analysed this passage the way you do though. I'd be interested in what you could enlighten us with though. "The Truth will set you free.

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