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Thursday, May 20, 2021

Philippians 3:20,21 — All Things Subjected To Jesus

By Ronald R. Day, Senior

Philippians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord, Jesus Christ;
Philippians 3:21 who will change the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working whereby he is able even to subject all things to himself.– World English Bible translation.

Philippians 3:21  is often presented by trinitarians as proof that Jesus is “all-powerful.” Evidently, the phrase “according to the working whereby he is able to subject all things [literally, "the all"] to himself” is being imagined in some manner to read that Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The “working” that Paul refers to includes the authority and power that the unipersonal God of Jesus has given to Jesus, through the holy spirit. (Matthew 28:18; John 5:25-29,36) The basis of the working of the resurrection in the last day is the work that Jesus performed in providing the ransom sacrifice. (Romans 5:15-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; 1 Timothy 2:5,6) Nevertheless, all the works given to Jesus, and "the all” that Jesus' God has subjected to Jesus (Ephesians 1:3,17-21; Philippians 2:9-11), excludes Jesus' being the Most High, the one God from whom are all.  — 1 Corinthians 8:6; 15:25-27.

There is nothing in Philippians 3:20,21 that means that Jesus is the One who is the Almighty or that Jesus is the Most High, or that Jesus is Jehovah. There is certainly nothing to give any indication that Paul thought that Jesus was a person of the Most High.

Wednesday, September 4, 2019

Matthew 28:18 - Jesus and All Power

Matthew 28:18 – Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.”
Matthew 28:18 is often quoted as proof that Jesus is Jehovah by advocates of both the trinity and oneness doctrines. Some translations read “all power” instead of “all authority”; the Greek word, however, refers to “all authority”. It is from the standpoint, however, of those who cite this scripture in an effort to support the idea that Jesus is the Almighty that we in this study are examining what this would mean.

One of the “oneness” believers states concerning this that if Jesus has “all power” then nobody else can have any. This, of course, is absurd. Taken as the thought is given, it would deny that anyone else can have any power at all! You have no power to stand, walk, talk, write a letter, or perform your any work to make a living. And, according to this statement, Satan no longer has any power! The angels no longer have any power! The demons no longer have any power! The God and Father of Jesus no longer has any power! Human rulers no longer have any power to rule! If taken to the extreme, it would mean that no living thing has any power to walk, to eat, to work, to think, breath, etc. We highly doubt, however, that this is what the writer had in mind in stating that “all power” given to Jesus means that no one else had any, but we are just giving the logical conclusions that can be drawn from such a statement. The oneness writer stated this, we are sure, in an effort to support the claim that in some vague way Jesus is or became the Father (the only true God — John 17:1,3), an idea that we do not find anywhere in the entire Bible. Matthew 28:18 shows that this "authority" was given to Jesus from someone else who is not Jesus.

The idea that Jesus was claiming no one else has any power at all has to be assumed and added to what Jesus said. Paul does not so assume, for he says that it is “evident” that the One who subjected all things to Jesus is excepted from the “all” that has been subjected to Jesus. (1 Corinthians 15:27)  Thus the God and Father of Jesus did not, has not, nor will he ever, give to Jesus the power and the glory that only belongs to the God and Father of Jesus, the being of the only Most High God Almighty. (Genesis 14:22; 17:1; Exodus 6:3; Isaiah 42:8) When Jesus stated, however, that all power has been given to him, he is not saying that no one else has any power, but that the power that has been given to him, as the one sitting next to the Most High, exceeds the power that has been given by the Jehovah (whom Jesus sits at the right hand of — Psalm 110:1) to anyone else, so that all things are made subject to him. In this relationship, it is evident that all the power given to Jesus by Jehovah does not include the being of Jehovah, on whose right hand Jesus has been made to sit. — Ephesians 2:20-22.

Often trinitarians as well as oneness believers will present a long list of scriptures which they claim supports or proves the trinity or oneness doctrines, and they will often include Matthew 28:18 in that list. Usually no real explanantion is made of the scriptures, but rather the trinity doctrine or the oneness doctrine is presumed upon the scriptures.

Many seem to be absorbed with the expression “all power” in Matthew 28:18, and thus appear to overlook the word “given”; some trinitarians try to explain that the power given here is not the eternal power of the (alleged) second person of the (alleged) trinity, but a special power given from the (alleged) first person of the (alleged) trinity to the (alleged) second person of the (alleged) trinity. If this is so, then there is nothing in this verse that offers any proof of the trinity. Actually, there is nothing in the scriptures at all about a triune God, or that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or that Jesus is a person, mode, etc., of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is always presented as being one person, and is never presented as being more than one person.

We also need to examine the word that is render “all” regarding “all” power that is given to Jesus, which is transliterated as “pasa”. It is a form of the Greek “Pas” (meaning: all, every, whole, etc.), and all forms of this word look to context as well common evidence for what is included or excluded. As in English, "all" is always limited to the "all" being referred to. As shown above, it is evident that the God and Father of Jesus is excluded, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 15:27. A Biblical study of this word all through the New Testament shows that, even when our translators add the word “things” to it, it rarely refers to absolutely “all” things in the whole universe, which would include the Most High Himself. It is always qualified by the context and common evidence. Although regarding Matthew 28:18, we can see from other scriptures that the “all power” that has been given to Jesus does include the subjection of all power in the whole created universe, but it does not include the Supreme Power of the Creator Himself.
http://studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956

Trinitarians, likewise, like to refer to Matthew 28:18 as proof that Jesus is God, but, as yet, we have not seen any genuine explanation as to how this is claimed to support their position. Much that we have stated above also applies to the trinitarian arguments that use this scripture to support their doctrine.

It is often listed as proof that Jesus is alleged to be “omnipotent“. They seem to want Jesus to say: “Since I am the Most High, I have all power in heaven and earth”, while ignoring that this power is given to Jesus from someone who is not Jesus. Some claim that the power is given from the Father to the Son, but, if this power is meant to prove that Jesus is God, or omnipotent, then the scripture would mean that before being given all this power, the Son was not God, and was not omnipotent (as many alleged Jesus to be), until this power was given to him. If they say that this power was given to Jesus as a man, and yet still use this scripture as proof that Jesus is God, then, in effect, they would be saying the human being Jesus became the God being. It would declare the flesh of Jesus as being the alleged “God nature” that they claim Jesus has. It would declare that flesh of Jesus is with the glory that higher than the angels. The word man, in the Bible, when applied to humanity, refers to a glory that is a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:5,6; Hebrews 2:7-9), to a glory that has fleshly, earthly, substance, not celestial, spiritual substance. -- 1 Corinthians 15:39-41.

In actuality, Jesus, in saying his words in Matthew 28:18, offers proof that Jesus is not his God, never has been his God, and never will be his God. Jesus is, and always will be, the Son of the Most High. He will never be the Most High of whom he is the son. — Genesis 14:22; Psalm 7:17; 83:18; 92:1; Luke 1:32; John 13:16.

While both trinitarian and “oneness” believers continue to present long lists of scriptures alleged to prove that Jesus is Jehovah, yet in reality, one has to assume, add to, and read that thought into all of the scriptures presented.

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Ronald R. Day, Sr. -- Restoration Light Bible Study Services (ResLight)

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Sunday, February 5, 2017

Revelation 1:8 - God, Who Was, Is, and Is to Come

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." -- Restoration Light Improved.
It is obvious that in Revelation 1:8, that the Holy Name is changed to KURIOS in the extant Greek manuscripts. Thus, we believe that the anarthrous KURIOS in Revelation 1:18 was originally some form of the Holy Name.

Many, however, argue that the one quoted in Revelation 1:8 is not the God and Father of Jesus, but was Jesus himself, who is said to be come in the clouds in verse 7.  They claim that it actually means that the Almighty of Revelation 1:8 is Jesus of Revelation 1:7.

The most simple and straightforward scriptural conclusion -- based on what actually stated in Revelation 1:8 as well as the context and the entire book of Revelation -- is that in Revelation 1:8, He “who is and was and who is to come” is not Jesus, but rather the one person who is “God” of Revelation 1:1, He who is, was and is to come of Revelation 1:4. Since He who is, was, and is to come of verse 4 is not Jesus of Revelation 1:5, the simply answer is that He who is, was and is to come in Revelation 1:8 is not Jesus.

However, many trinitarians and some others do not accept the simple and straightforward conclusion, but would imagine and assume  that in Revelation 1:8 Jesus himself claimed to be the Almighty. Many trinitarians, in effect, would have the book of Revelation speaking of two Jesuses, one who is sitting on the throne and another who is the Lamb who takes the sealed book from the Himself who is sitting on the throne.  -- Revelation 1:4,5,8; 4:2,8-10; 5:1,6,7.

Trinitarians make much ado about the phrase "is to come" in Revelation 1:8 and claim that this is referring to the one who comes in the clouds of Revelation 1:7. Actually, to give “is to come” in verse 8 the application to he who comes in the clouds of verse 7 means that one takes "is to come" out of context of what is said in verse 8 in order to force it to refer to the one coming in Revelation 1:7, thus giving the inference that both are speaking of the same “coming”.

It is often further claimed that since in verse 7 it is Jesus who is being referred to as “coming”, that it is Jesus who is being quoted in verse 8 who states that he “is to come”..
Yes, the words in Revelation 1:7 are indeed the words of Jesus.

Nevertheless, in Revelation 1:8, John begins to quote the God and Father of Jesus (Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 3:5,12): “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." -- World English.

All through the Revelation given to John, Jesus is distinguished from “God”.

All through the Revelation, Jesus is distinguished from 'he who is, was and is to come'.

Revelation 1:1
Revelation 1:1
This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John. -- World English Bible version.
We find that, in Revelation 1:1, “God” is clearly distinguished from “Jesus Christ”, as it should be.

It is “God” who gives the revelation to “Jesus Christ”. “Jesus Christ”, in turn gives the revelation to his servants by means of John. -- Revelation 1:1.

Revelation 1:1 speaks of Jesus with the title “Christ”, that is: “Jesus Christ”. “Christ” means “Anointed”.

Who anointed Jesus?
Isaiah 61: 1 - The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is on me; because Jehovah has anointed me to preach good news to the humble; he has sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening [of the prison] to those who are bound.
The Messiah is prophetically quoted as saying: “Jehovah ... has anointed me.” -- Isaiah 61:1, World English.

Thus, the Anointed One -- the Christ -- recognizes Jehovah as the one who anointed him.

In the words recorded as Luke 4:14-23, Jesus identified himself as the one whom Jehovah anointed as spoken of in Isaiah 61:1.

This means that “God” in Psalm 45:7; Acts 2:36; 10:38; and Hebrews 1:9 is Jehovah of Isaiah 61:1. It also means that the unipersonal “God” of Revelation 1:1,2,4,6,8,9 is not Jesus, but the “Lord Jehovah” of Isaiah 61:1 who anointed Jesus, thus making him “Jesus Christ” of Revelation 1:1.

Also in Isaiah 61:1, note that the Messiah refers to his God as “the Lord Jehovah”.
Since we have identified "God' who anointed Jesus as as Christ (Revelation 1:1) as being Jehovah, this further means that in Revelation 1:8, it is this same one -- "the Lord  Jehovah" of Isaiah 61:1, who is referred to in the World English and many other translations as the “the Lord God”.

Thus, “Jehovah God” of Revelation 1:8 is the Lord Jehovah of Isaiah 61:1, and is not Jesus, but rather the one who anointed Jesus, making him “Jesus Christ” as shown in Revelation 1:1.
Revelation 1:4-6 - John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;[5] and from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;[6] and he made us [to be] a kingdom, [to be] priests unto his God and Father; to him [be] the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen. -- American Standard Version.
Revelation 1:4,5 clearly distinguishes Jesus from he 'who is, was and is to come'. It is the one person who is “God” of Revelation 1:1 who is identified in Revelation 1:4 as being “who is and who was and who is to come.”

Thus, in Revelation 1:8, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." is not Jesus, but rather the God of Jesus, “God” who has given the revelation to Jesus. -- Revelation 1:1.

Nor does “is to come” in Revelation 1:8 refer to the same event as the “coming” in Revelation 1:7.

As far as we know, no one claims that when the Almighty says “who was”, that this means that He was coming from some place or that he was going to some place in the past. Likewise, we know of no one who claims that when He says “who is”, that this means He is presently going some place or coming from some place.

In other words, the Almighty was not saying that he was coming from or to some place in the past (although it could applied to his having come from eternal past, that is, that He is "from everlasting," -- Psalm 90:2), or that he is coming from or to some place in the present (although he exists in the present and comes in the present in the sense of His activity), and thus, He was likewise not saying that he will be coming from or coming to some place in the future (although, as related to time, not a place, he will eternally be coming as far as His eternal future existence is concerned).

Consequently, many, if not most, Greek Bible scholars conclude that Revelation 1:8 speaks of God's being, his eternal existence, past, present and future, even if they believe that this phrase in Revelation 1:8 is in reference to Jesus. Thus Adam Clarke, in his discussion concerning this phrase in verse 4, states:

This phraseology is purely Jewish, and probably taken from the Tetragrammaton, יהוה Yehovah ; which is supposed to include in itself all time, past, present, and future. -- Clarke, Adam. "Commentary on Revelation 1". -- "The Adam Clarke Commentary".  1832.

Nevertheless,  Revelation 1:8 itself as well as the context (Revelation 1:1,4) tells us that, in Revelation 1:8, it is the Almighty Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus who is speaking as the one who was, is and is to come. Accordingly, the conclusion is that Jesus is not the one who was, is, and is to come in Revelation 1:8.

The peculiar phrase in Revelation 1:8 only belongs to Jehovah, not to Jesus.
Jehovah has actively existed from all eternity past, he actively exists now, and he actively exists for all time to come. This is basically what Jehovah is saying in Revelation 1:8.

“Is to come” simply extends the thought of God’s active existence into the infinite future, just as “who was” is speaking of God’s past, and “is” is speaking his being in the present. Thus, it is all inclusive of past, present and future.

The summation is that the most direct scriptural conclusion is that “the Lord God, ‘who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty’” in Revelation 1:8 is "God" of Revelation 1:1,4, not Jesus, as has been demonstrated.

For further study, see our studies related at:
https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/revelation.html#rev1-8

Russell on "He Who Was, Is, and Is to Come"

Tuesday, September 6, 2016

Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last


The claim is made that the book of Revelation shows that not only is Jehovah the Alpha and Omega, but that Jesus is also. If this were true (we don’t believe it is) all this would prove is that in some way the title Alpha and Omega is applied both to Jehovah and to Jesus; it does not prove that Jesus is his God. In Isaiah 41:4; 44:6; 48:12 we find the expression “first and last” used of Jehovah. From Isaiah 44:6,7 this expression, “first and last” appears to mean “first and last” in mighty omnipotency, being the source of all might, something which the false gods of the heathen cannot claim. However, most of our trinitarian and oneness neighbors appear to often read into this expression ‘eternal’, which they usually give the meaning of having existence in the eternal past as well as the eternal future. Jehovah has certainly been in existence "from everlasting (eternal past) to everlasting (eternal future)". (Psalm 92:1) While Jehovah is certainly the first and the last of those who exist "from everlasting to everlasting", it does not appear to be what "first and last" means in Isaiah 44:6,7. Nevertheless, such meaning applied to Jehovah does not mean that first and last itself would have to be referring to He who is the first and the last who exists "from everlasting to everlasting." Nor does the designation of "first and last", of itself, mean having omnipotence.

In the last book of the Bible, we again find this expression “the first and the last”.  At least twice Jesus applies this phrase to himself as recorded in Revelation 1:17 and Revelation 2:8. The King James Version has Jesus applying this to himself also as given in Revelation 1:11, although most scholars agree that it is an interpolation in that verse. Nevertheless, our trinitarian and oneness neighbors would have us accept Revelation 1:17 and 2:8 as proof that Jesus is Jehovah, since the phrase is applied to both Jehovah and Jesus. The phrase appears also in Revelation 22:13, where Jehovah applies it to himself.

Another phrase found in Revelation 1:8; 21:6; 22:13 is “beginning and the end”. Additionally, we find the phrase — Alpha and Omega — in Revelation 1:8; 21:6; 22:13 — all three of which refer to Jehovah. Thus, these phrases are not used of Jesus, but only of Jesus' God.

Looking at Revelation 1:1, we note that the Revelation is from God who gave it to Jesus. (This should be enough to prove that Jesus is not his God.) The message is delivered through an angel to John. In Revelation 1:4 John says the message is from the Father, Jehovah, who is and who was and who is to come. Then in verse 5, John says: “and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.” Many translations make a distinction between Jesus and “his God” in Revelation 1:6, as, for instance, The World English Bible translation: “he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father.” Thus John identifies two individuals which the messages are from, the Father, Jehovah (Isaiah 61:1; John 17:1,3), and Jesus, God’s Son.

Then in verse 8 we find the quote

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." -- World English.

“The Lord” in this verse is Jehovah, not Jesus, as shown from Revelation 1:4, as well the distinction between the Lamb and He who is, was and is to come as shown in chapters 4 and 5 of the Revelation. The phrase “Lord God” is based on the Jewish practice of changing the Holy Name to either the Hebrew word often transliterated as Adonai [Lord] or to Elohim [God]. Christian scribes began to adapt this practice by changing Jehovah to forms of the Greek word transliterated as Kurios,  which means "Lord," or to Theos, which means "God." The Hebrew phrase is transliterated as Jehovah Elohim. When Christians scribes later edited the Septuagint, they changed the Holy Name to Kurios [Lord]  or  Theos [God]. They likewise did this with the New Testament Scriptures. This can be seen by comparing Acts 3:22; 7:37 with the Hebrew of Deuteronomy 18:15. In all instances where the phrase occurs in the NT, it is in reference to Jehovah, the Father of our Lord Jesus. — Luke 1:32; 1 Peter 3:10-15; Revelation 11:17,19; 15:3; 16:7; 18:8; 21:11; 22:6.

Likewise, with the phrases “the Lord our God” and “the Lord your God”. These phrases are always used in reference to Jehovah the God and Father of our Lord Jesus. — Matthew 4:7 (Deuteronomy 6:16); Matthew 4:10 (Deuteronomy 6:13; 10:20); Matthew 22:37 (Deuteronomy 6:5); Mark 12:29 (Deuteronomy 6:4); etc.

Some Christian translators in the past, in translating the Greek New Testament into Hebrew, have inserted a Hebrew form of the holy name, often rendered as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah," into Revelation 1:8. The following are some Hebrew translations that contain a Hebrew form of the Holy Name in Revelation 1:8: NT, by W. Robertson, 1661; NT, by J. C. Reichardt, 1846; NT, by J. C. Reichardt & J. H. R. Biesenthal, 1866; NT, by F. Delitzsch, 1981 edition; NT, by I. Salkinson & C. D. Ginsburg, 1891.

See also our studies on Revelation 1:8.

The fact that in the NT Greek manuscripts God's Holy Name has been changed to other words does not take away the fact that it is Jehovah, not his Son Jesus, who is speaking in Revelation 1:8.

In verses 9 and 10 John refers to himself when he heard a loud voice, as of a trumpet, (verse 11) saying, “Write what you see….” This quote is from Jesus, not Jehovah, as described in the following verses. In verse 18 Jesus says: “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.” He who is, was and is to come never dies. However, Jesus was actually dead and not alive anywhere, if this is to make any sense at all, for he contrasts his being dead with being alive forevermore. Now we know that God cannot die, so Jesus is thus by this verse proved to not be God Almighty.

One claims: "Revelation 1:7-8 is the same person."

This idea would result in Jesus being the one person who is sitting on the throne of Revelation 5 and at the same time being the one person who is represented as the Lamb who takes the scroll from the same one person who is sitting on the throne. It would be, in effect, claiming that He who is sitting on the throne is not the Lamb, but yet that both the one sitting on the throne and the Lamb are both the one person, Jesus. Indeed, we have read some trinitarian commentators who make this self-contradictory claim.

But let's plug this idea into Revelation 1:4,5:

Revelation 1:4 - John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from [Jesus?] who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before [Jesus'?] throne; 
Revelation 1:5 - and from Jesus Christ [another Jesus?], who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto [Jesus] that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood; 

And now, to Revelation 5:1,6,7:

Revelation 5:1 - And I saw in the right hand of [Jesus] that sat on the throne a book written within and on the back, close sealed with seven seals. 
Revelation 5:6 - And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb [Jesus] standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth. 
Revelation 5:7 - And [Jesus] came, and [Jesus] taketh it out of the right hand of [Jesus] that sat on the throne. 

Does this really make sense?

One claims that Revelation 1:7,8 shows Jesus to be Jehovah who is "returning".

Actually, we do not know of any scripture anywhere that speaks of the Almighty as "returning." Revelation 1:8 has no form of any word that means "return". We have no reason to join with imagining, assuming such a thought, and adding such a thought to any scripture, and reading such a thought into any scripture.

If one reads into the expression "is to come" the meaning of return, one should -- to be consistent -- also read such into the expressions who is, and who was; this reasoning, if consistent, would lead to the conclusion that verse 8 is speaking of he who presently returns, and he who was returning in the past, and of he who is returning in the future. Actually, it is obvious that the expression related to he who is to come in is in relation to he who is, and he who was, referring to time and existence. Jehovah God Almighty exists, has always existed in the past, and will always exist in the future to come.

One claims, evidently based on the assumption that it is Jesus in Revelation 1:8 who declares himself to be Almighty: "You say Jesus is returning but he’s not the Almighty. You have 'another Jesus' therefore you have 'another gospel'."

We have no scriptural reason to read into any scripture that Jesus is the Almighty. The very fact that Paul presents Jesus, not as being the "one God" from whom are all, but as the "one Lord" through whom are (1 Corinthians 8:6), should be enough to convince one that Jesus is not the Almighty. As already shown, the Almighty in Revelation 1:8 is not Jesus of Revelation 1:7, but rather He who is sitting on the throne of Revelation 1:4; 5:1,6,7, while Jesus is not depicted as being the He who is sitting on the throne, but as the Lamb who takes the scroll from He who is sitting on the throne.

Who is actually preaching "another Jesus?" Is it not actually those who create many assumptions and then read those assumptions into the scriptures so as to support the idea that Jesus is Jehovah? The assumption is often presented that Jesus had to be God Almighty in order to provide atonement for sins. Such an idea actually replaces what the scriptures reveal to be the basis of the atonement. Is it not actually these that are really preaching another Jesus and another gospel? The scriptures can be seen to be fully at harmony throughout without creating all the assumptions needed to support the idea that Jehovah is more than one person, and that Jesus is a person of Jehovah, the Almighty, etc.

Revelation 1:11

Many translations have the words added in Revelation 1:11, before the word “Write”: “I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.” However, this sentence does not appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts and therefore does not appear in many Bible translations, and thus we do not include them as part of our discussion.

Revelation 21:6

Let us now examine Revelation 21:6 in its context.
Revelation 21:5 He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”
Revelation 21:6 He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give freely to him who is thirsty from the spring of the water of life.
Revelation 21:7 He who overcomes, I will give him these things. I will be his God, and he will be my son.
If these are the words of Jesus, since Jesus is not the "one God" from whom are all (1 Corinthians 8:6), then they could only be applied to him in a manner similar to general usages of the words for God as mightiness. — Matthew 19:28; Romans 8:19-21.

Nevertheless, we do not believe that it is Jesus who is spoken of as being the he who is sitting on the throne in Revelation 21:5, but rather it is speaking of the God and Father of Jesus. He who sits on the throne in the book of Revelation is spoken of as the God of Jesus (Revelation 2:7; 3:2,12, World English), and is distinguished from the Lamb. (Revelation 5:1-7; 5:13, 6:16, 7:10,15) Applying this to the One sitting on the throne in Revelation 21:5 would mean that these words are the words of the God of Jesus, not Jesus himself, although they were delivered by Jesus to the angel who delivered them to John. (Revelation 1:1,2) Many, if not most, trinitarian Bible scholars acknowledge that the words of Revelation 1:5 are spoken by God the Father as distinguished from the Lamb, but some vaguely, and often without giving any reason for doing so  (other than their trinitarian assumptions), will claim that the one being quoted in verses 6 and/or 7 is Jesus. It should be apparent that the one being quoted verses 5-7 are all the “one who sits on the throne”.

These words of Revelation 21:7 are not directed to the believers of this age, but to the world in the age to come, in the day of judgment and regeneration of the world, although indirectly they are applicable, since the believers in this age are reckoned, counted, imputed (Strong’s #3049) with the blessings and powers of the age to come, having received the spirit as a token, earnest, as first fruits, of that which is to come. –Romans 4; 6:11; 1 Corinthians 1:21,22; 5:17; 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:3-14; Hebrews 6:5; 12:23; James 1:18.

Revelation 22:12,13

Now we come to Revelation 22:12,13. Many feel sure that this is Jesus speaking, since the one speaking tells of his “coming”, and in Revelation 22:20, Jesus says: “I come quickly.” And John exclaims: “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” This overlooks the fact that the scriptures speak of Jehovah coming, and also of Jesus coming, and that the two are closely associated. This does not mean that Jesus is Jehovah. God, the Diety, in Acts 17 is only one person and that one person is not Jesus, but Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus, who comes to judge the world, not only with and by means of Jesus, but also the saints. God is distinguished from Jesus in Acts 17:30,31. — Malachi 3:1-6; Psalm 96:13; 98:9; Daniel 7:18,22; Isaiah 40:10,11; Micah 1:3; Zechariah 14:5; 2 Peter 3:7,8; 1 Corinthians 6:2; Psalm 90:4; Jude 1:14,15; Revelation 1:1; 20:4,11-13; 22:6.

Below we quote Revelation 22:6-21 with our comments in brackets [].

Revelation 22:6 He [The angel mentioned in Revelation 21:9] said to me, “These words are faithful and true. The Lord [Jehovah], the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angels to show to his servants the things which must happen soon.” [This agrees with Revelation 1:1-5, that the revelation is from God through Jesus, and delivered by an angel.]

Revelation 22:7 [Note the abrupt change; the angel suddenly quotes someone unnamed as coming:] “Behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.” [This is probably quoting Jesus as coming; however, it could be that the angel starting quoting Jehovah of Revelation 22:6. Jehovah, the God of the spirits of the prophets, does come to judge by means of the one whom he has ordained. -- Psalm 96:13; 98:9; Isaiah 40:10; 62:11; Luke 1:32,35; John 5:22,23; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Romans 2:16; 1 Corinthians 4:5; Revelation 22:12.]

Revelation 22:8 [John again changes and speaks of himself:] Now I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who had shown me these things.

Revelation 22:9 He [the angel] said to me, “See you don’t do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers, the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

Revelation 22:10 He [The angel] said to me, “Don’t seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:11 He who acts unjustly, let him act unjustly still. He who is filthy, let him be filthy still. He who is righteous, let him do righteousness still. He who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Revelation 22:12 [The angel begins to quote someone else again:] “Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. [The God of Jesus judges the world through Jesus, and each man will get his praise from God. -- Acts 17:31; Romans 2:16; 1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Timothy 4:1. Isaiah 40:10 gives support that this is Jehovah speaking, not Jesus. Jesus never speaks of the "reward" as being his, although one could possibly reason that it is "his" to give, since Jehovah has given all judgment to the Son.]

Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Revelation 22:14 [This is obviously the angel speaking:] “Blessed are those who do his [God's] commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.”
Revelation 22:16 [Now the angel quotes Jesus:] “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star.”
Revelation 22:17 [This is obviously the angel again speaking:] “The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come!’ He who hears, let him say, ‘Come!’ He who is thirsty, let him come. He who desires, let him take the water of life freely.”
Revelation 22:18 [The angel evidently quotes Jesus, as shown from verse 20:] “I testify to every man who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.”
Revelation 22:20 [John writes] He [Jesus] who testifies these things says, “Yes, I come quickly.” [John responds:] Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.
Revelation 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen. — World English Bible translation, with quotation marks slightly adjusted from that used in the World English.

Nevertheless, even if one assumes that it is Jesus who is the one speaking in Revelation 22:12,13, all this would mean is that these titles or phrases applied to Jehovah are also applied to Jesus. Does this mean that Jesus is Jehovah, the God who is identified also as the Father and God of Jesus? Absolutely not!

First, we note that none of the passages say that the Father is the Son (oneness belief) or even that the Son equals the Father. There is nothing in any of the scriptures that declares that God is more than one person (trinity), or that God presents Himself in different modes, etc. None of the scriptures say that Jesus IS the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Nor do any of these passages directly say anything about the non-creation of either the Father or the Son.

One must admit that just because the same title is applied to individuals, this does not make these two individuals one individual. Else every ruler who has ever used the title “king” would have to be the same individual as every other ruler to whom the title "king" is applied. Each ruler who uses this title, however, uses it with respect to his peculiar realm of domain and time. Thus just because the same titles are given to both the Father and the Son does not mean they are the same being. There are many Bible Students that do apply the term Alpha and Omega to Jesus, but do not see this as having any meaning that Jesus is Jehovah. 

Revelation 1:17,18; 2:8

While Jehovah has existed from eternity past, the expression, Alpha and Omega applied to him, does not in itself designate that Jehovah is from everlasting to everlasting, nor do the expressions, “the beginning and the end”, or “the first and the last”. Such an application can be made in that it could be stated that Jehovah is the beginning and end, the first and that last, of all who have existed from eternity past. As discussed in our study on “Beginnings”, the word “beginning” does not mean eternity, either past or future, but rather it usually denotes a point in time when something begins, or it is used of a person or thing at the start of something. Additionally, the word “first” does not mean eternity but a person or thing at the start of something. Similarly, it can be said concerning the words “last” and “end”; neither of these denotes eternity, but rather, just as it says, the last or end of something. The Alpha and Omega symbolism only emphasizes the same thing, since Alpha is the first or start of the Greek alphabet, and Omega is the last or end of the Greek alphabet. Thus, although we do not believe that any scripture applies Alpha and Omega to Jesus, they could be applied to Jesus, but not with the same application as they are applied to the only Most High. Nevertheless, the term "first" and "last" is applied to Jesus in Revelation 1:17,18 and also in Revelation 2:8.

How could this term, first and last, apply to both the Father and the Son within the domain of each? Some have noted that Jesus is the first human to be raised to life without end by Jehovah his Father, thus he is called the “firstborn of the dead”. (Colossians 1:18) There can only be one firstborn from the dead, thus Jesus is definitely the first and the last of the firstborn from the dead. He is also the last to be so resurrected directly by God since all others who eventually receive such a resurrection will be through Jesus, not by Jehovah directly. (John 5:21,22; 6:39,44; 11:25) Regardless, there appears to be a connection between his statements that he became dead and was now alive forever and ever. In both instances where the terms “first” and “last” are used of Jesus, his death and eternal life are also mentioned in the context. (Revelation 1:17,18; 2:8) Jesus’ holding the keys of death and Hades (Revelation 1:18) shows the authority given to him by his God of releasing all who are in death and hades. — John 5:27-29 (New American Standard); Revelation 20:11-13.

Each — both Jesus and Jehovah — is the first and the last of his peculiar kind: Jehovah is the first and the last of his peculiar kind, in that he is the first and the last one to be increate, that is, never to have been created. No one was before Jehovah in this sense and no one will be after him in this sense. Jehovah is also unique in that He is the source of all. (1 Corinthians 8:6) The Son is the first and the last of his peculiar kind, in that he is the first and the last to have been directly created by God, all other creatures having been indirectly created by God, that is, through the agency of the Logos. (John 1:1-3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Colossians 1:15,16) More than likely, however, the expression "the first and the last" as Jesus used it of himself has something to do with his death and resurrection. In this sense, Jesus is the first and last, being the only one, who is firstborn from the dead. There will never be another firstborn from the dead. Thus the Father and the Son are both unique — which is the meaning of these three expressions — but each of them is unique in a different sense: The Father is unique in that he is the only — the first and the last — being never created; the Son is unique in that he is the only — the first and the last — firstborn from the dead, as well as having the only being ever directly created by Jehovah without the assistance of an agent, which creative assistance by the Logos occurred in the case of all the rest of creation — the Logos himself being excepted. (John 1:3; 1 Corinthians 15:27; See our studies related to John 1:1) Thus Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus (Micah 5:4; Ephesians 1:3), is the first and the last, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end of increation — the only being who never was created. The Logos is the first and the last, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end of God’s direct creation. These terms used with reference to the Son are equivalent to his being called: “the only begotten of the Father.” (John 1:14,18; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9) Their use with reference to the Father implies that he is from eternity, though not directly teaching it, the direct teaching being his uniqueness in that he never was created or begotten, as was the Son.

One claims that "Jesus is the First and Last which only applies to God Almighty" and that "
We know the First and Last the Almighty is returning/coming."
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We do not know of any scripture that says that the phrase "the first and the last" can only be applied to God Almighty. Such is an assumption placed upon the scriptures.

The Bible does tell us that Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus (Micah 5:4; Ephesians 1:3), comes to judge the world through, by means of, His messiah whom he ordained to judge as a servant of Jehovah. -- Psalm 2:6; 96:13; 98:9; Isaiah 9:7; 11:1-4; 40:10; 62:11; Ezekiel 34:24; Luke 1:32,35; John 5:22,23; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Romans 2:16; 1 Corinthians 4:5; Revelation 22:12.

The saints also are depicted as coming with Jesus to judge the world. --Daniel 7:22; 1 Corinthians 6:2; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Revelation 20:4.

The holy angels are additionally said to come with Jesus. -- Matthew 25:31. (Some believe that the "holy angels" are actually the saints of 1 Corinthians 6:2)

Some have replied that there can only be one first and last, although their reasons for saying this are vague, to say the least. It seems they wish to demand a restricted application, usually that this expression means eternal (as from everlasting to everlasting), so that it could only apply to God Almighty. It is true that there can only be one who is first and last as God Almighty, and likewise that there is only one who was never created, who has always been. But we have no reason to restrict the term in application to God Almighty, except to satisfy the whims of those who wish to use it thus to prove that Jesus is Jehovah, which, in effect, would make the whole argument circular, that is, ‘we believe that Jesus is Jehovah, thus we believe that the expression first and last must be used in application to God Almighty only, and thus this proves that Jesus is Jehovah.’

We have already shown above that there can be more than one first and last, depending on what is being spoken of and its application. Each created person is first and last in his unique existence, since each person is unique in some way. There will never be another person who is uniquely you, thus you are the first and last person who is definitely you. Additionally, your father, as a sentient being, is unique in who he is. There will never be another person who is the same sentient being as your father, and your father is first and last in being who he is. Furthermore, if only one student shows up for a class on a particular day, he is the first and last student that showed up for the class on that day. Likewise, both Jehovah and Jesus are first and last in their respective applications of that term. Regardless, our trinitarian neighbors will have to agree that there are two persons who are referred to as ‘first and last’ in Revelation, both God the Father and His Son.

Ronald R. Day, Sr. - Restoration Light Bible Study Services