Jesus and His God

Revelation 4:8 – and the four living creatures, having each one of them six wings, are full of eyes around about and within. They have no rest day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy is [Jehovah] God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come. Isaiah 6:3 – One cried to another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is Jehovah of Hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. These scriptures are sometimes cited as supporting the trinitarian dogma, since each uses the word “holy” three times. This has to be Jehovah, the God of Jesus, referred to in Revelation 4:8, since this One is spoken of as one person in Revelation 5:1 as the One holding the scroll in His right hand. In Revelation 5:7 we find that the Lamb, Jesus, takes the scroll out of the hand of the one sitting on the throne. This shows that the one sitting on the throne, called “the Lord [Jehovah] God, The Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come” in Revelation 4:8 is indeed only one person, the God and Father of Jesus, an...

The following scriptures are presented as an alleged proof that Jesus is Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: Deuteronomy 33:26, Psalm 18:9-10, Psalm 68:4, Psalm 104:3, Isaiah 19:1; Daniel 7:13,14; Matthew 26:64,65‬; Revelation 1:8. (Related scriptures: Matthew 16:27; 24:30; 25:31; Luke 21:27) Obviously, there is nothing in any of these scriptures that in any way identify Jesus as being Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who spoke through the prophets of old. -- Hebrews 1:1,2. Evidently, it is being imagined and assumed that because Jesus is spoken of as coming in a cloud, that this means that Jesus is Jehovah who is spoken of riding the clouds in the Old Testament. This is like saying because the scriptures say that Moses led the children of Israel out of Egypt, this means that Moses is Jehovah who is also said to have led the children of Israel out of Egypt. -- Exodus 3:8; 6:6,26; 7:4; 12:51; Deuteronomy 32:12; Exodus 15:22; Acts 7:36; 13:17. See our study: Ho...

Deuteronomy 32:8,9 is sometimes cited by trinitarians as an Old Testament reference to their triune God philosophy. Their thought apparently is that "Most High" [transliterated from the Masoretic text as ELYON] in verse 8 is supposed to refer to one person of their triune God, and "Jehovah" [transliterated from the Masoretic text] in verse 9 is evidently supposed to refer to another person of their triune God.  Deuteronomy 32:8 - When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. Deuteronomy 32:9 - For Jehovah's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance. -- American Standard Version.   Deuteronomy 32:8 - When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. Deuteronomy 32:9 - But [Jehovah*]'s portion is hi...

Zechariah 14:4-5 is sometimes presented as proof that Jesus is Jehovah as related to the doctrine of the trinity. Zechariah 14:3 Then Jehovah will go out and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. Zechariah 14:4 His feet will stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west, making a very great valley. Half of the mountain will move toward the north, and half of it toward the south. Zechariah 14:5 You shall flee by the valley of my mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azel; yes, you shall flee, just like you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Jehovah my God will come, and all the holy ones with you. — World English , edited to present God's Holy Name as "Jehovah". This speaks, not only of Jehovah as coming, but also the holy ones, the saints, who will come. We find nothing directly about Jesus ...

The discussions here are being moved to individual posts related to scripture(s) involved. God willing, once all has been moved elsewhere, this page will be removed. God willin, all scriptures presented will be included in the " Is Jesus God? " pages with links to related studies. <><><><><><> We will be here addressing the list of Will Daniels found in his book, "Understanding the Trinity". Many trinitarians often offer Daniel's list as supposedly proof of the trinity. This list has been floating around on various blogs and forums on the internet, and has been posted to us in several groups and forums, so we decided to address the list here for reference.  Definitely, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is distinguished from being Jesus in Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; Acts 3:13-21; Hebrews 1:1,2; Revelation 1:1. -- Ronald R. Day, Senior. God's Holy Name is supplied as "Jehovah" as appropriate places r...

It is often claimed that if one does not accept the trinity, that the Bible says that he will die in his sins. Matt Slick claims that Jesus claimed to "God " in John 8:24. Actually, what did Jesus did say to the Jewish religious leaders who opposed him? John 8:21 - Jesus said therefore again to them, "I am going away, and you will seek me, and will die in your sins. Where I go, you can't come." John 8:24 - I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." Jesus was certainly declaring that if they did not accept him as who he claimed to be, they would die in their sins. Who was he claiming to be? Jesus certainly did not say he is God in John 8:24; indeed, the word "God" is not to found anywhere in that verse. Nor does he claim his name to be EHJEH of Exodus 3:14. Jesus certainly was not claiming to be his Father who sent him from above. (John 8:16,19,23) Trinitarians, of ...

The image presented is evidently directed to Muslims. This site is not owned by a Muslim, but by a Christian who does not believe in adding the trinity doctrine to the Bible. Nevertheless, many professed Christians have accepted the added-on trinity doctrine, and under the guise of orthodoxy, they claim that the trinity doctrine is the central essential doctrine of Christianity, despite the fact that no such concept is anywhere to be found in the Holy Bible. T Nevertheless, trinitarians have been disclaiming that 1+1+1=1 applies to their added-on trinitarian concept, and would have one believe that the trinity is actually represented as 1x1x1=1. Does 1x1x1-1 actually represent what is claimed for the trinity doctrine? And even if it did, does this mean that the trinity doctrine is true? We first wish to note that while we believe the trinity doctrine is illogical, that is not the basic reason for rejecting that doctrine. The Christian who believes in the Bible should reject that doctri...

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more; but you will see me. Because I live [referring to his resurrection], you will live also [reckonedly made alive in this age, and actually in the resurrection]. In John 14:19, although Jesus’ words are directly to Philip, Jesus is evidently speaking to his apostles in general, when he said: “you [plural] will behold me.” When Jesus said “you”, the pronoun in the Greek is plural, signifying that he was not simply addressing Philip (John 14:9), but all of the eleven apostles. All of the eleven apostles will be members of the joint-heirs with Christ, receiving spiritual bodies in the resurrection as Jesus now has, and thus will be able to see, or behold, Jesus’ own glorious spiritual body. The world will never have that ability. Nevertheless,  Jesus made many appearances to his 11 faithful apostles (as well as to other disciples) before his ascension (Acts 1:3; 1 Corinthians 15:4-8), but the world never saw him again...