Monday, November 29, 2010

John 1:3 - Panta (πάντα) and Kosmos (κόσμος)

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This is mostly in response to a post entitled "κόσμος (kosmos) in Johannine writings".

I will have to disagree with the idea that "panta" combined with "oude" in John 1:3 means any other than what the context and the rest of the scriptures indicate it to mean, that is, "all" as pertaining to the world of mankind. (John 1:10) I believe in past studies I have given ample evidence of this. Therefore, I am confident that in John 1:3, John intended his use of "panta" in that verse to be "universal" only to that which is being spoken of, that is, the world of mankind, the "beginning" of which is that spoken of in John 1:1. Throughout the New Testament, one will be strained to find where forms of the word "pas" (Strong's #3956) is used to mean the entire universe (which would include the Creator), or even the entire created universe (which would be universal only in a limited scope, since the Creator would be excluded). While it is used a very few times with the exclusion of the the Creator, as well as with the exclusion of the firstborn creature, it is always constrained in its application by the context as well as common evidence. As yet, I have not found any place in the Bible where it means absolutely "all" in the total universe, which would include the Creator.

See:

Without Jesus Christ Absolutely NOTHING Was Created?
The Logos Was Theos
In the Beginning
What Beginning?

In examining John's use of the word "kosmos" in his writings, we find that he does indeed ALWAYS use it with the same reference and meaning; he never uses it to mean the entire "universe", or even the entire created universe.

It is claimed that "When John says that Word came into the World it has one meaning but when the World rejects the Word it has a slightly different meaning, and when the Word makes the World it has yet another meaning." While it may be that John uses the word with a "slightly" different meaning, the word still is speaking of the same "world".

John 1:10
en tw kosmw een kai ho kosmos di autou
IN THE WORLD HE WAS, AND THE WORLD THROUGH HIM
1722 3588 2889 1511_3 2532 3588 2889 1223 0846_3
egeneto kai ho kosmos auton ouk egnw
CAME TO BE, AND THE WORLD HIM NOT KNEW.
1096 2532 3588 2889 0846_7 3756 1097 -- Westcott & Hort Interlinear
 
In John 1:10, for instance, one has stretch the imagination to think that Jesus used the word "kosmos" as meaning two different "worlds". It is very clear that the world (kosmos) that God made through Jesus is the same world into which Jesus came, with the only difference in meaning being that the world which was made through Jesus is now corrupted through sin, so that this same world did not recognize who Jesus was. John is speaking of the same "world" in all three instances of John 1:10. The only difference in the usage is that the world, when God made it through Logos, was not corrupted, but now it is corrupted through sin (Romans 5:12; 8:22), and the corrupted world -- the whole old creation of mankind  (Romans 8:20-22) -- needs to pass away in order to be made new. -- 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 John 2:17; Revelation 20:1-5.

Crosswalk's Lexicon gives several meanings to the world "Kosmos"
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/kosmos.html

See:
Does Yahweh Speak to Yahweh? - Regarding Hebrews 1:10-12.


As a Bible student, I am more interested in the meaning as found in the Bible itself. Lexicons and Greek dictionaries often give many meanings found in other Greek writings other than the Bible, or that have been attributed to words by man's doctrine, which may or may not represent the way the Bible actually uses the words. The basic meaning of "Kosmos" is that of order or arrangement, and most often is related to the order of the world of mankind, the world that was created through Jesus, which world has become corrupted through sin. Indeed, I have not found any exception of this usage in John's writings, although one may find a few exceptions elsewhere in the New Testament writings. For instance, there are at least three exceptions to usage of the word "kosmos" in Peter's writings, none of which however express "kosmos" as meaning the entire universe, or even the entire created universe. (1 Peter 3:3; 2 Peter 2:5; 3:6) Peter, in effect, would have us understand that God's dealings with man is related to three worlds -- three heavens and three earths -- in which he uses the word "kosmos" as related to the first period before the flood. (World #1 heaven and earth the were before the flood -- 2 Peter 3:5,6; World #2 heavens and earth are now, and which are to be dissolved -- 2 Peter 3:7,10,12; World #3 -- the new heavens and new earth -- 2 Peter 3:13.  Paul speaks of the third heaven and paradise in 2 Corinthians 12:2,4. Peter also uses the word  "kosmos" as related to cosmetics. -- 1 Peter 3:3.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/aion.html

See:

The Third Heaven and Paradise

Yahweh's Plan of the Ages

In Romans 11:12 the word "kosmos" is used in contrast with Israel. However, in John 1:10; 12:46,47, Jesus includes Israel as of the world "kosmos", the world that was made through him, that did not recognize him and thus rejected him, for Jesus had only come to Israel. (Matthew 15:24) Nevertheless, "world", in Romans 11:12 still represents the world that was made through Jesus, but which was condemned through the sin of Adam, while Israel, as a whole, was considered a new creation (as a nation, not as individuals) of God separate from the world. The Law Covenant, however, serves to prove the sinful and crooked nature of the people of Israel; no one was justified, made straight, by keeping the Law, thus the condemnation of the world through Adam remained upon them.

See:
Seed of David

The Law Gives Everlasting Life?

The Passing Away of the Law

The Fulfilling of the Law


Of course, the world that was made through Jesus, and into which Jesus came, and which world did nor recognize Jesus, is now a world of people estranged from God. The people of the world are, by nature of Adam's sin, children of wrath, sons of disobedience, not new creatures, children of God. (Ephesians 2:1-10) The world made through Jesus, into which Jesus came, and which rejected Jesus, is indeed represented on the surface of the earth as the dwelling place of mankind, in contrast with God and the spiritual creation, as well as with the sun, moon, stars, planets, etc (except that these are represented in their being made to appear in the sky -- the heavens --  of the earth -- Genesis 1:14-18; John 1:10; Acts 17:24; Hebrews 1:10); the Bible says nothing about a "world below," nor of its creation, although some translators have forced that expression into their translation of some scriptures.

6 comments:

  1. The Messiah most certainly not YHVH!

    And i would hope you would begin to refer to Our Father YHVH in ancient Hebrew for that was when HE revealed "I AM THAT I AM". And there was no "W" in ancient Hebrew.

    Sadly it seems you have received a love of "catholic canon" which those of this world call their "bible" yet i question whether you have experienced The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The Truth"?

    If you have then please share that experience.

    Thankfully Our Father HE IS ALIVE and HE yet communes with HIS children.

    So it is the brethren of The Messiah are but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for their "citizenship is in Heaven"!

    And the brethren of The Messiah will have naught to do with religion for they of The Faithful!

    And Faith will not create a religion for Faith IS Family!

    The Family of GOD, "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named".......

    Father Help! and HE does.......

    asimpleandspirituallife.org

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Simple-and-Spiritual-Life/208339295850609

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    1. Elderchild,

      Yes, the Messiah is certainly not the God Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. -- Exodus 3:14,15; Acts 3:13-26; Hebrews 1:1,2.

      I am supposing that you are considering YHVH to be ancient Hebrew? Actually, the letters "Y", "H" and "V" are letters of the English alphabet, not Hebrew. Yes, you will not find any "W" in ancient Hebrew, nor will you find any "Y" or "H" or "V" in ancient Hebrew. When you are reading aloud from the Bible, and you come the Holy Name, what pronunciation do you give to "YHVH"? "YHVH" is just another of those transliterations that has been developed to transliterate the four written characters as they appear the Hebrew; "YHVH" is not a pronounceable "name", not unless you supply some vowels to make it pronounceable. "YHVH" may be said to be a representation in English of the four letters that make of the Holy Name in Hebrew, but in Hebrew, the vowels are understood; thus, in English, just writing those four letter would fall short of giving a pronounceable "name" in English.

      See some of my studies on the Holy Name, especially, "The Holy Name in the Original Hebrew/Greek":
      http://name.reslight.net

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    2. Elderchild,

      I am not sure what you are referring to in your claim that I have received a love of a "catholic canon"; although I do not consider the Bible to a "catholic canon", are you saying that you do not believe in the Bible? If so, please do not continue to post to this blogsite, not unless you have some sincere interest in Biblical truth, and seek truth from the source provided by God for that truth. From my past encounters with you, you have shown no interest in actually submitting to the truths of the Bible.

      Regardless of who the Heavenly Father may have used to formulate the Biblical canon, by faith, having knowledge of the wonderful plan of salvation revealed in the Bible, I believe that it has come to us as a result of divine intervention.

      I recommend that the sanctified son of God take Bible in hand, and pray to the God and Father of Jesus that the holy spirit lead him to note the things man has presented beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6), and look at what the scriptures actually say, and what they do not say, so as to discard what is that of man, and hold to what is of God.

      God has revealed his truths by communicating through Jesus (Hebrews 1:1,2), who has communicate all truth to the apostles. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, by means of His holy spirit, especially led the apostles into all the truths concerning Christ and what he said, and thereby the faith was delivered to the saints in the first century. (John 14:26; 16:4-13; Galatians 1:12; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Timothy 2:2; Jude 1:3) The truths revealed to the apostles and made available to us are recorded in the Bible itself. (Ephesians 3:3-12; Colossians 1:25,26; 1 John 4:6) Of course, without the holy spirit, these things that are recorded will still be a mystery to us. — Mark 4:11; 1 Corinthians 2:7-10.

      Isaiah, in prophesying concerning the stone of stumbling (Isaiah 8:14; Romans 9:23) to both the houses of Israel (Romans 9:6,31; 11:7; 1 Corinthians 10:18; Galatians 6:16), warns us: “To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8:20, New King James Version) The “law”, of course, is what we call the Old Testament; the “testimony” of this prophecy is the testimony of the apostles, as given in the New Testament. This the way to test the spirits. (1 John 4:1) It is to these and through these scriptures that the holy spirit today gives true direction, and anything not in agreement with these scriptures is not of the light of the day. (John 11:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:5) In effect, any spirit -- any teaching -- that does not testify in agreement with what has been revealed is not of the light of new day.

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    3. Elderchild,

      Our Heavenly Father communes with us by directing us to his Son, through whom our Heavenly Father has spoken. (Hebrews 1:1,2) Jesus, however, through the use of the Holy Spirit, speaks to us through the apostles, as I have shown in my last response. If we are seeking truth from spirits that go beyond, and even contradict, what has been revealed, then that spirit is not of God.

      As far as religion is concerned, it depends on what meaning one gives to the word "religion"; as "form of worship", the Christian's religion is that of worshiping the God and Father of Jesus through Jesus. If one is using the word "religion" in the sense of religious institutions that man has created, I agree that the child of God should seek to be free of denominationalism, sectarianism, and belong only to God through Jesus, recognizing that the only true "authority" in the church is is the Lord Jesus, the Head of the Church, and his Word, and the words of those whom he specially chose to be his mouth-pieces, apostles. See my study on sectarianism:
      http://bstudents.reslight.net/?page_id=107

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  2. Interesting that i just received notice that the comment i made almost a year ago was finally posted.

    There are a couple of testimonies that pertain to the above which i have since been given.

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/06/now-nothing-will-be-restrained-from.html

    Father Help! and HE does.......

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  3. You most certainly prove yourself to be of the religious ones )-;

    Simply, each and every translation of what those of this world call their 'bible' is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators.......period.......

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/01/all-biblical-translations-are.html

    And sadly )-; you have your portion with those who believe in the "imag"ined 'jesus christ', a name which pagan catholicism and her #1 harlot christian daughter, the aptly named "church OF england", gave to one head of their three headed pagan god(s) less than 600 years ago!

    So it is that catholic canon(that which they call their new testament) is yet having it's way with you )-;

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2012/09/catholic-canon-that-which-is-called-new.html

    And so it is you choose to have your portion with those who but carry on the legacy of the pharisee's(religious ones) and all others who have not experienced The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The Truth".......

    For those who have received "a love of The Truth" have taken heed unto The Call of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD(SPIRIT) and FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL to:

    "Come Out of her(babel/confusion/babylon\world\religion), MY people!"

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/05/come-out-of-her-my-people.html

    Yet while breath is, HOPE IS!

    For TRUTH IS! Miracles do happen.......

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2010/10/miracles-faith-and-receiving-love-of.html

    And YES! the brethren of The Messiah have their portion !NOW! in "The Family of Our Father and GOD".......

    So it is we choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for we have realized that our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven" and that soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last!

    http://asimpleandspirituallife.blogspot.com/2011/07/family-of-faith-or-system-of-religion.html

    Till then:

    Father Help! and HE does.......

    All Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father and GOD!

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