Colossians 2:2,3 - Mystery of the Trinity?

- Revelation 1:1-18 - Is Jesus Revealed as Being God?

Ephesians 1:22,23 -- All in All

And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church. Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.-- Ephesians 1:22,23 King James Version.

Verse 23, especially, is often cited as proof that Jesus is "ominipresent", and thus it is imagined, assumed, and added to the scripture that Jesus possesses an attribute that only belongs to God Almighty.

The word "things" is added twice by the translators.

God is presented throughout this chapter as being only one person, "the God and Father of Jesus". (Ephesians 1:3). It is Jesus' God and Father who put all under Jesus' feet, and who has made Jesus head over all pertaining to the church. In subjecting all to Jesus, Paul elsewhere states that it is evident the God is excepted. -- 1 Corinthians 15:27.

Whatever is being spoken of related to Jesus is referring to what the one person who is "God" has given to Jesus. It is not speaking of what Jesus was while in the days of his flesh, nor even what Jesus was before his God prepared a body of flesh for Jesus. (Hebrews 10:5; Matthew 1:20) Rather than presenting Jesus as being God, Paul speaks of God as being Jesus' God:

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him [God]. -- Ephesians 1:17, KJV.

Ephesians 1:19 and what the exceeding greatness of his [God] power to us-ward who believe, according to that working of the strength of his [God's] might
Ephesians 1:20 which he [God] wrought in Christ [Micah 5:4], when he [God]raised him [Jesus] from the dead, and made him to sit at his [God's] right hand in the heavenly places ,
Ephesians 1:21 far above all rule, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come.
Ephesians 1:22 and he [God] put all things in subjection under his {Jesus'] feet, and gave him to be head over all things to the church,
Ephesians 1:23 which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. -- American Standard Version

1 Corinthians 15:27 For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One [the God and Father of Jesus] who put everything under Him.

So whatever glory to which God exalted Jesus, it excludes the glory that belongs exclusively to God who exalted Jesus. 

However, it is obviously being imagined and assumed that "filleth all in all" means omnipresence. Actually, it is speaking of the church, the body of Christ, In context, it appears that Paul was speaking of Christ as filling all that is needed in every member of his body.

Of course, in exalting Jesus bodily with the plenitude of power to be head over every ruler and power (Colossians 2:9,10), it would be necessarily that God also give to Jesus the bodily power to -- in some way -- be present in many places at once.

Regardless, any idea that there is anything anywhere in Ephesians 1 (or anywhere else in the entire Bible) that is referring to Jesus as being God Almighty has to be created beyond what is written. There is definitely nothing at all in Ephesians 1 that presents the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Acts 3:13) as being more than one person, or that Jesus is a person of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or that suggests that Paul had any intent of presenting Jesus as being the "one God" from whom are all. -- 1 Corinthians 8:6.

 

Matthew 6:24; Luke 16:13 – Serving Two Masters (Working On)

By Ronald R. Day

(This has been copied from one of our old sites and has not yet been edited for this site)

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. You can’t serve both God and Mammon. — Matthew 6:24, World English.

No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. You aren’t able to serve God and mammon.” – Luke 16:13, World English.

The thought has been presented that if Yahweh is Lord, and Jesus is also “Lord”, then there are two masters, and Jesus said that we cannot serve two masters. The thought seems to be imagined and assumed regarding Jesus’ words that Jesus and the Father must both be one master, else we would serving two Masters, and thus that we must either hate one or the other these two masters. This would seem to overlook the fact that the only true God, who sent Jesus, is the one who made Jesus both Lord and Christ (Anointed One). — Exodus 3:14,15; Deuteronomy 18:15-20; Isaiah 61:1; John 17:3; Acts 2:36; 3:13-26.

Nevertheless, to carry this argument forth to its logical conclusion, this would mean that to serve Jesus as Master would mean to hate the God and Father of Jesus, or that to serve the God and Father of Jesus as Master would mean that we would hate the one whom he sent forth, except that they both be but one master, rather than two masters. Wisely, Beza Theodore comments on “two masters”:

Who are at odds with one another, for if two agree they are as one.

Beza, Theodore. “Commentary on Matthew 6”. “The 1599 Geneva Study Bible”. 1599-1645.

Jesus’ own words agree with this, for the “two masters” (God and mammon) that he spoke of are at odds with each; they are not in agreement.

If one should think that Jesus had to be Yahweh, or else that we would be serving two different masters in opposition to each other as Jesus spoke of in the verses cited, then it would have meant that many in the Old Testament times either hated Yahweh and loved the one anointed by Yahweh, or else he hated the one anointed by Yahweh and loved Yahweh.

He said to his men, Yahweh forbid that I should do this thing to my lord, Yahweh’s anointed, to put forth my hand against him, seeing he is Yahweh’s anointed…. David also arose afterward, and went out of the cave, and cried after Saul, saying, My lord the king. When Saul looked behind him, David bowed with his face to the earth, and did obeisance [Strong’s #7812, transliterated Shachah, worshiped]. — 1 Samuel 24:6,9; World English.

Saul knew David’s voice, and said, Is this your voice, my son David? David said, It is my voice, my lord, O king. — 1 Samuel 26:17, World English.

Was David saying that he hated the Lord Yahweh by his recognition of Saul as the lord over him? Was he refusing to acknowledge Yahweh as “Lord”? Certainly not! Yet, he called Saul his lord, but notice how he later addressed Yahweh:

Then David the king went in, and sat before Yahweh; and he said, Who am I, Lord Yahweh, and what is my house, that you have brought me thus far? — 2 Samuel 7:18, World English

Notice that while David acknowledged Saul as “Lord”, as having been made so by Yahweh, yet he also refers to Yahweh as “Lord”. There is no thought in the scripture that David’s recognition of the one anointed (made christ) by Yahweh as “lord” would make Yahweh into an enemy of David.

King David said, Call to me Zadok the priest, and Nathan the prophet, and Benaiah the son of Jehoiada. They came before the king. The king said to them, Take with you the servants of your lord, and cause Solomon my son to ride on my own mule, and bring him down to Gihon: and let Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anoint him there king over Israel; and blow you the trumpet, and say, [Long] live king Solomon. Then you shall come up after him, and he shall come and sit on my throne; for he shall be king in my place; and I have appointed him to be prince over Israel and over Judah. Benaiah the son of Jehoiada answered the king, and said, Amen: Yahweh, the God of my lord the king, say so [too]. As Yahweh has been with my lord the king, even so be he with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord king David. . — 1 Kings 1:32-42, World English.

The above words show that Benaiah certainly did not improper to recognize David as his lord, and that he certainly did not believe that by doing so that he was becoming an enemy of Yahweh.

Someone may say that Jesus was laying down a new commandment, that was contrary to what was practiced in the Old Testament. We should note:

One of the elders answered, saying to me, “These who are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and where did they come from?” I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, “These are those who came out of the great oppression. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb’s blood. — Revelation 7:13,14.

It should be obvious that when John referred to this elder as “my lord”, that he was not speaking to God nor to God’s son. However, when John referred to this elder as “my lord”, was he making Yahweh his enemy? Obviously not, since the elder was in accord with both Jesus and the God of Jesus.

Furthermore, in Revelation 17:15, we read that Jesus is “Lord of lords.” This signifies that he is not the only ‘lord’, but that there are others who are also “lords” over whom Jesus is the Lord. The angel speaking is referring to others than Jesus as “lords”. The “lords” being referred to here are evidently the kings who do battle with the lamb. More than likely it signifies that Jesus is such a powerful lord over these others who are “lords” that they could not gain victory over him. Jesus, however, is the “one lord” who has been made lord over the church; these kings are not lords over the church as such, but they, as being rulers of the world, are lords over Christians in secular matters. Paul wrote about such “lords” — rulers, saying: “Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who be are ordained by God. Therefore he who resists the authority, withstands the ordinance of God; and those who withstand will receive to themselves judgment. For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Do you desire to have no fear of the authority? Do that which is good, and you will have praise from the same, for he is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid, for he doesn’t bear the sword in vain; for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil. Therefore you need to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For this reason you also pay taxes, for they are ministers of God’s service, attending continually on this very thing. Give therefore to everyone what you owe: taxes to whom taxes are due; customs to whom customs; respect to whom respect; honor to whom honor.” (Romans 13:1-6) Was Paul here advocating subjection to these “lords” — rulers — of the world in such a manner that would be at enmity with God? No, not at all. Certainly, Paul was not advocating being subjection to them in any stance against God; surely Paul would agree with Peter and the other apostles that if any authority would tell us to disobey God, that “we must obey God rather than men.” — Acts 5:29.

As mentioned earlier, the only true God has at some point in time made Jesus to be our Lord. (Acts 2:36) The fact that the only true God made him lord over us does not signify the only true God is no longer “the Lord” Yahweh, nor does it mean that Jesus has to be Yahweh. Indeed, if it meant the latter, then, logically, it would mean that before Yahweh made Jesus to be our lord, then Jesus was not Yahweh, but that he became Yahweh when Yahweh made him our lord. In reality, however, when Yahweh made Jesus “lord”, Yahweh did not make him “lord”, or master, in opposition to Himself, as Jesus was the “two masters” that Jesus spoke of as recorded in Matthew 6:24 (or, Luke 16:13).

Born Again Christian:

Until now, you still have not given me a verse that says “the Father and the Son are two masters.”

On my part, I have no reason to show you that the Jesus and his God are two different masters. Jesus and his God and Father are as one. — John 10:30.

Romans 5:11 WEB

Not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 1:21 WEB

Now he who establishes us with you in Christ, and anointed us, is God;

Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace, who brought again from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an eternal covenant, our Lord Jesus,

Hebrews 13:21 make you complete in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:5 WEB

You also, as living stones, are built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 4:11 WEB

If any man speaks, let it be as it were oracles of God. If any man serves, let it be as of the strength which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Jesus and his Father are one; they are in agreement, they are not in opposition to each other. (John 10:30) Since to serve the one whom the Lord Yahweh anointed and sent (Isaiah 61:1) is also to serve the Lord Yahweh, there is nothing in serving Yahweh through His Son that means that one is serving two opposing masters, and must decide to serve one and not the other. — Matthew 10:32,33; John 4:34; 5:19,30; 8:19; 14:6; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 John 2:23; 2 John 1:9.

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ResLight Post author

March 30, 2013 at 5:34 am

demac

Submitted on 2011/12/09 at 5:14 pm

Interesting comment, again there is only one Lord even according to the bible it states clearly that Jesus Christ is Lord, one Lord through whom are all things,

Yes, the sripture clearly states that the one lord through whom are the all is Jesus; it is not the Lord Yahweh (Jehovah).

from one God from whom are all things, thus the source of all is God manifested through his Son Jesus (through whom are all things).

Yes, Ta Panta, “the all” is from the Lord Yahweh, who is the source of all. “God”, as being the source of the all, is not Jesus, since Jesus is the one through the all is given.

that is rather a clear statement to preclude any two lord doctrine which you may have,

I have not made any doctrine; the Bible itself uses the Greek word transliterated as “Kurios” many many different people, not just Jesus and his God and Father.

In the Gospels alone we find that it is:

Used of others than Christ.

With the Article (ho Kurios), emphasizing ownership. Occurs fourty-two times: twenty-one times in Matthew 10:24,25; 15:27; 18:25,27,31,32,34; 20:8; 21:40; 24:45,46,48,50; 25:18,19,21,21,23,23,26; twice in Mark 12:9; 13:35; sixteen times in Luke 12:36,37,42,43,45,46,47; 14:21,23; 16:3,5,5,8; 19:33; 20:13,15; three times in John 13:16; 15:15,20.

Without the Article (Kurios). Generally in courtesy, emphasizing superior relationship. Occ. Nineteen times. Rendered “Lord” fourteen times (Matthew 18:26; 25:11,11,20,22,24. Luke 13:8,25,25; 14:22; 19:16,18,20,25); “Master” twice (Matthew 6:24. Luke 16:13); “Sir” four times (Matthew 13:27; 21:30; 27:63. John 12:21).

See: “Lord” in the New Testament

Isaiah 61:1 – The Spirit of the Lord Yahweh is on me; because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble; he has sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening [of the prison] to those who are bound.

In Isaiah 61:1, we have “the Lord Yahweh” who is distinguished from the Messiah (the anointed one) whom the Lord Yahweh anointed, and made both Christ and Lord. (Acts 2:36) Thus, the one Lord Yahweh who is one Lord, makes His son another “Lord”, and thus they are two different “Lord”s, but only one of these lords is the source of the all, and only one of these lords is the lord through whom the all is given.

Matthew 6:24

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“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. You can’t serve both God and Mammon (worldly gain, avarice).

Luke 16:13

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No servant can serve [Douleuo – Strong’s #1398] two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. You aren’t able to serve God and mammon.”

Yes, indeed, in any and every act that we commit, we are either serving the God and Father of the Lord Jesus, or else we are serving mammon. The new creature in Christ is dedicated to the God and Father of Jesus, however, and can only be a servant of the God and Father of Jesus, else he is no longer a Son of God, for no Son of God commits sin. The new creature still, however, has to deal with the sinful flesh, which may not always be obedient to God.

Nevertheless, this does not mean that no Christian cannot be in the service of another human master, for Paul wrote:

Ephesians 6:5 Servants [Doulos- Strong’s #1401] , be obedient to those who according to the flesh are your masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as to Christ;

Ephesians 6:6 not in the way of service only when eyes are on you, as men-pleasers; but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

Ephesians 6:7 with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men.

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Ephesians 6:9 You masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with him.

Colossians 3:22 Servants, obey in all things those who are your masters according to the flesh, not just when they are looking, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

Colossians 4:1 Masters, give to your servants that which is just and equal, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven.

Thus, any service that a child of God gives to any human master is given in harmony with God, for such is doing service to Yahweh by their obedience to the masters.

1 Timothy 6:1

Let as many servants [Doulos- Strong’s #1401] as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed . 2 And they that have believingmasters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service , because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort

1 Timothy 6:2

And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service , because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/douleuo.html

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/doulos.html

So how is that one can be service to a human master and God at the same time without being in service to two masters? As related to the two masters that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 6:24, it is because they would, by their obedience to their human masters, being showing for their obedience to God and their Master, the Lord Jesus. Likewise, to obey Jesus as our lord is the same as obeying the only true God who sent Jesus, since the God and Father of Jesus tells us that we should obey Jesus, and thus to obey Jesus is to obey the God and Father of Jesus, since the God and Father of Jesus has appointed Jesus to be our Lord, all to the glory of the God and Father of Jesus.

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April 7, 2013 at 4:01 am

demac

Submitted on 2011/12/09 at 5:21 pm

I am not sure why you are using david as an example, David called Jesus Lord…, you need to distinguish between human titlature such as nobles and kings called lord out of respect rather than actuality, the bible refers to only one Lord in heaven, not two or three, but one, the only potenate. I am not sure your analogies with david make sense, David was a human King, Jesus was the Lord of heaven and earth, uh big difference.

After reading the above, I still see no reason why I should not use David as example.

David did indeed refer to the Lord Jesus as adoni, “My Lord.” (Psalm 110:1) It should be self-evident that when David was prophetically referring to Jesus as “my Lord”, that he was not referring to Jesus as Yahweh, since David distinguishes Yahweh from “my lord” in that verse. There is definitely nothing in Psalm 110:1 that gives any indication that David, by referring to Jesus as “my Lord”, thought he was saying that Jesus is Yahweh. The reasoning, however, that David, by saying ‘my Lord’ as recorded in Psalm 110:1 would mean that David was saying that Jesus the Lord Yahweh is ciruclar reasoning, for it starts out with the assumption that Jesus is Yahweh, and thus, that this why David spoke of Jesus as “my Lord”. Peter’s words as recorded in Acts 2:32-36; 3:13-26 show that Peter certainly did NOT think that David was saying that Jesus is Yahweh.

See:

The “Lord” of David

Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Nevertheless, the assumption that was being promoted was that there is only one who to be recognized as “Lord”; since the Bible does recognize that there are indeed “many lords”, the point that David and many others are also referred as “lord” stands. (1 Corinthians 8:5) At the same time, it is also true that Jesus is indeed the “one Lord” through whom the “one God” provides the all. (1 Corinthians 8:6) The fact that there are “many lords” does not conflict with the thought that Jesus is the “one Lord” through whom the all is provided, since none of these other “lords” is that “one Lord” through “the one God” provides the all.

* Who Raised Jesus From the Dead?

* Isaiah 51:9; 53:1 – The Arm Of Jehovah

Jeremiah 1:5 - God's Foreknowledge of Jeremiah

 

John 14:23 - God and Jesus Lives With Us

One has asked:

John 14:23-24 - Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him. [24] He who doesn't love me doesn't keep my words. The word which you hear isn't mine, but the Father's who sent me.

WHY WOULD JESUS AND THE FATHER COME TO US AND MAKE THEIR DWELLING WITH A BELIEVER AFTER THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE SENT TO BE WITH MANKIND TOO?

John 14:23-24 - Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him. [24] He who doesn't love me doesn't keep my words. The word which you hear isn't mine, but the Father's who sent me.

In the midst of all the temptations and trials that beset us in our earthly pilgrimage we may recognize the voice of our God, saying, 'Do not be afraid. I am your shield, and your exceeding great reward' (Genesis 15:1), " Don't you be afraid, for I am with you; don't be dismayed, for I am your God." (Isaiah 41:10), and he voice of His Son, saying: "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20), and "I am with you always, even to the end of the age." -- Mathew 28:20. 

Since we see no reason why both Jesus and his God would not reside with a child oF God through God's Holy Spirit, I am not quite sure what is being asked. Evidently, what is being imagined and assumed is that there is something in Jesus' words that has something to do with the added-on trinitarian philosophy, or otherwise that Jesus is God (Supreme Mighty One, Supreme Being). 

Actually, in harmony with John 14:1, Jesus was presenting only one person, his God and Father, as being the "one God of whom are all" (1 Corinthians 8:6). He says nothing at all to the effect that he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is more than one person. Indeed, verse 24 shows that he disclaims being the source of his own words. Verse 23 is in perfect agreement with verse 24 and also 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Hebrews 1:1,2. Jesus is not the source, the Supreme Being, but rather the instrument that the Supreme Being uses. Both Jesus and his God and Father are with the child of God through God's Holy Spirit. -- Ephesians 3:16; 2 Timothy 1:14; 1 John 3:24.

If the oneness idea is being read into what Jesus said, one should remember that authority to use God's Holy Spirit was given to Jesus from his God and Father (John 15:26; Acts 2:33); Jesus is not that Holy Spirit for Jesus offered himself to his God "through the eternal spirit." (Ephesians 1:3; 5:2; Hebrews 9:14) Jesus is neither God's Holy Spirit nor is he "his God."

The Word "Things" in the Bible (Working on)

Colossians 1:15,16 – Genitive and “For”

Acts 2:22-24 -- Jesus of Nazareth and God (Working on)

Acts 2:22 - "You men of Israel, hear these words. Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as you yourselves know,
Acts 2:23 - him, being delivered up by the determined counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by the hand of lawless men, crucified and killed;
Acts 2:24 - whom God raised up, having freed him from the agony of death, because it was not possible that he should be held by it.  -- World English.

Some trinitarians and some others may present Acts 2:22-24 as proof of the trinity, or as proof that Jesus is God Almighty, or possibly as proof of the alleged dual natures of Christ (hypostatic union). As yet, we haven't actually found any explanation as to how the words recorded in Acts 2:22,23 offers any proof that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or that God is more than one person, or that Jesus is fully God (Supreme Being) and fully man (human being) at the same time.

In reality, "God" is presented as being only one person in these verses and Jesus is not presented as being "God" but rather the man through whom God performed miracles.

Evidently, the claim is that Acts 2:22 means that God is in Christ, and from this it is evidently imagined and assumed that Acts 2:21 is referring to their imagined and assumed assertion that Jesus is both fully God and fully man (dual natures of Christ, hypostatic union). 2 Corinthians 5:19; John 10:37,38 and John 14:7-11 are cited to support this imagined and assumed assertion. Of course, any idea of that Jesus had two natures at the same time has also to be imagined and assumed and then added to what is written in all the scriptures, since no such idea is presented in any of the scriptures cited.

In 2 Corinthians 5:18,19, "God" is only one person, and Jesus is the instrument that God uses to reconcile the world to Himself. John 10:37,38; 14:10,11 shows that Jesus is in God and that God is Jesus. However, said that his disciples are in him and that he is in his disciples, and prayed for his followers to be one in himself and his Father (John 17:21) He was not saying that his followers would be God Almighty as he is [allegedly] God Almighty. See our study: "God in Christ".

God willing, we will add an examination of claims related to "it was not possible that he should be held by it" later, and possibly some other claims.

Related to the scriptures above, some trinitarians will begin to cite many scriptures which they claim shows Jesus to be God Almighty, such as Mark 2:7;  John 1:1; John 8:58; John 20:28;  Hebrews 1:6; Hebrews 1:10, and many other scriptures. Of course, in none of these scriptures do we find that Jesus is identified as being Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. As usually, one has created many assumptions beyond what is written and then add to those assumptions to, and read those assumptions into the scriptures in order to make the scriptures appear to be saying that Jesus is Jehovah, or that Jesus is a person of Jehovah, etc. Since we have examined most, if not all, the scriptures often presented elsewhere, we will not do such again here, but we refer one to our resources pages related to "Is Jesus God?"