Saturday, April 24, 2021

John 21:17 - Did Peter Say that Jesus is Omniscient? (working on)

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John 21:17 – He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you have affection for me?” Peter was grieved because he asked him the third time, “Do you have affection for me?” He said to him, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I have affection for you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.” -- World English.


According to the way some trinitarian believers interpret this verse, Peter was saying that Jesus in the flesh has the same sentiency as his Father, supposedly knowing absolutely everything to know about absolutely everything in the whole universe; if so, the logical conclusion would be that there would be no need for Jesus in the flesh to receive or learn anything at all in the flesh, since he already knew it all. -- Deuteronomy 18:15,18; 1S Samuel 2:6; Psalm 36:9; Matthew 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; Luke 13:35; John 3:2,17; 5:19,21-23,25-30,43; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; Hebrews 1:1,2; Revelation 1:1.


Of course, Peter was not saying that Jesus knew absolutely everything in the universe; such an idea has to be read into what he said. The scriptures tell us over and over that the knowledge that Jesus has he received from Jehovah, or from experiences. — Deuteronomy 18:15,18; Matthew 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; Luke 13:35; John 3:2,17; 5:19,43; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; Hebrews 1:1,2; Revelation 1:1.


The word translated “everything” above is rendered from the Greek word form  often transliterated as “panta”. The Greek form panta (a variation of the Greek word, pas – Strong’s #3956), is always used relative to the context of which it is being used. Many translators add qualifying nouns to the word, as “thing” is added by most translators here. The word simply means "all". What is included in the "all" has to be determined from context and/or common evidence. However a translator presents the word with any qualification depends on what the translator believes it is being used, and often this may lead the translator to choose such qualification based on theological beliefs. Those translators who believe that Jesus is omniscient may therefore see Peter as confirming that belief, and thus the translator may think of "everything" as being appropriate rather than just "all" or of qualifying it with "all this."


Some examples of qualifying nouns being added to the Greek word pas in the translation of the KJV: Matthew 1:23; 10:1; 12:31; Luke 11:42; Acts 10:12 – “manner of”; Matthew 24:6 – “these things”; Mark 1:37; 13:13; Luke 21:17; John 1:7; 2:24; 5:23; 11:48; 12:32; 13:35; Acts 1:24; 2:45; 4:21; 19:19; 21:28 – “men”; Mark 4:11 – “things”; Mark 12:44 – “they”; Luke 1:66; 9:23 – “them”; Luke 13:27 – “ye”; John 15:2(2nd) – “branch”; Acts 9:32 – “quarters”

See also:

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=¯t0000085


However, by adding "thing" as in "everything," to many readers it appears to be saying that Peter was saying that Jesus knew absolutely everything in the universe, and thus that Peter was saying that Jesus is Jehovah.


In reality, there is no indication that Peter was saying that Jesus was God Almighty, having all knowledge of absolutely everything there is, but rather that Jesus knew all these things concerning Peter’s affection for Jesus.


We find a similar usage in 2 Corinthians 6:10: “as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.”


Taken out of context, and applying the same kind reasoning many apply to Peter’s words to Jesus, one could make an argument that Paul is telling the Corinthians that the Christians in Corinth were in possession of absolutely everything that exists in the whole universe, and thus they must be God Almighty.


Another similar passage is found in Jude 5.


Jude 5

hupomneesai de humas boulomai eidotas

TO REMIND BUT YOU I AM WISHING, HAVING KNOWN

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hapax panta hoti kurios laon ek gees

ONCE FOR ALL ALL, THAT LORD PEOPLE OUT OF EARTH

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aiguptou swsas to deuteron tous mee

OF EGYPT HAVING SAVED THE SECOND THE NOT

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pisteusantas apwlesen

HAVING BELIEVED HE DESTROYED,

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Of course, Jude is not saying that believers have once for all come to know absolutely everything there is to know about everything in the universe, but panta is used relative to what is being spoken of, as Peter uses it in John 21:17.


In reality, Jesus is not omniscient. If he is, then it would mean that he has one sentiency as a human being and another sentiency as the omniscient being. Indeed, this basically what many trinitarians claim. This, in effect, would mean that Jesus himself is two separate persons.


We would also wonder, if he is omniscient, how he could be a separate sentient person from the Father? In other words, if both the Father and the Son are ominiscient, then they must share the same exact sentiency, and in reality be the same sentient being, not separate sentient “persons”, as the trinity dogma calls for.


We know that Jesus is not omniscient, because there are things that he does not know, or he has to receive knowledge concerning from the only true God. — Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32; John 7:17; 8:26,28; 12:49,50; 14:10; Hebrews 1:1,2; 5:8; Revelation 1:1,2.


Jesus had questioned Peter three times concerning his love and affection for Jesus. Was Peter truly interested in feeding the sheep, or in the fishing business to which he had returned? Jesus wanted to emphasize the work that he was giving to Peter to do. Peter was feeling grief at heart for these three questions. Peter answered, “You know all these things; you know that I love you”. Peter was not saying that Jesus knew absolutely everything in the universe, but he was using all in the sense of saying that Jesus already knew all pertaining to his, Peter's, love.


Many claim that only God knows the heart of men, based on 1 Kings 8:39:

   

 

 


However, Isaiah spoke of the Messiah:


Isaiah 11:2-4 - And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest on Him; He will have the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.[3] And He is made to breathe in the fear of Jehovah. But He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes, nor decide by the hearing of His ears.[4] But He shall judge the poor in righteousness, and shall decide rightly for the meek of the earth. And He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, and He shall cause the wicked to die with the breath of His lip.

 -- Green's Literal.


Isaiah is saying the Messiah would be able to judge beyond what is seen and heard by eyes and ears, which indicate that the spirit of Jehovah resting upon him was to give him this power.


Does the fact that God has given this power to know things concerning others mean that Jesus is ominiscient, knowing absolutely everything in the universe? Absolutely not!


Does the fact that God has given to Jesus power to know things, even to know the hearts of men, mean that Jesus is Jehovah? Absolutely not, for all the power that Jesus has is given to him by Jehovah. In the power and authority given to Jesus as judge, Jesus would need to be able to read the hearts of men in order to judge by the heart rather than by what is seen.


Does this contradict scriptures such as 2 Chronicles 6:30; 1 Kings 8:39; 1 Chronicles 28:9; Psalm 7:9; 44:21; and Jeremiah 17:9-10? We don’t think so. All of these scriptures were written to and concerning those under the law before Jesus was actually was sent into the world, so even if these scriptures mean what our trinitarian neighbors read into them, that is, that out of the whole universe, no one can read the thoughts or hearts of men but Jehovah, their application could have been only before such power was given to Jesus.


Nevertheless, in 2 Chronicles 6:30 and 1 Kings 8:39, Solomon is stating a prayer of dedication for the temple, in which the elders and priests as well as the whole assembly of Israel was gathered. While it was given to Solomon to judge Israel, Solomon is expressing that he — himself — can’t read the hearts of men, and thus in his prayer to Jehovah expresses that only Jehovah can do this. The word “only” [or “alone” in many translations] is translated from the Hebrew word transliterated as “bad”. [Strong’s #905] It is a word that is used in comparison, and does not necessarily mean totally alone, but rather alone in relation to what is being spoken of. (Genesis 2:18; 32:24; Judges 6:40) Thus, the thought of comparison is between Jehovah and Solomon, and perhaps any other human who has the work of judging those in the land of Israel.


Psalm 7:9; 44:21 simply affirm that Jehovah can know the minds and hearts of humans. Jeremiah 17:9-10 is speaking of man’s lack of ability to know his own heart, but that Jehovah does search the mind and try the heart of men. Nothing is said in these verses that would mean that Jehovah cannot give this power to another who is not Himself.


There is definitely nothing in any of the scriptures given that actually identifies Jesus as being the God and Father of Jesus (oneness doctrine), or that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is more than one person (trinity doctrine), or that He is three persons, or that Jesus is a person of the one Jehovah.

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