Tuesday, November 15, 2016

Revelation 1:4 - Who Is, Was, To Come - Jesus?

John, to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from God, who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne. -- Revelation 1:4. -- World English version of the Bible
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is , and which was , and which is to come ; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne. -- King James Version.

The World English Bible version evidently supplies the word "God" before "who is."

Revelation 1:4 is sometimes referenced by a few trinitarians and the phrase "who is and who was and who is to come" is attributed to Jesus. Actually, the context shows that the phrase is being attributed to the God of Jesus.  In the context, "God" is presented as one person, that one person "gave" to another person  (Jesus)  the revelation. "This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him." Did Jesus give to Jesus the Revelation of Jesus? No, it was another person who was not Jesus, and this other one person was the One that Jesus refers to later as "my God." (Revelation 3:13) When Jesus referred to God as "my God," was he speaking of one person, or more than one person? When Jesus spoke of "my God and your God" as recorded in John 20:17, was he speaking more than one person as being his God and also the God of Mary? If Mary's God was only one person, should we not also want to have that same one person as our God?

Again, in Revelation 1:2, this unipersonal "God" is distinguished from Jesus: "[John] testified to God's word, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ."

In Revelation 1:4, John begins to write as though a letter to the seven churches. He identifies himself as the writer, but then begins to identify others from whom the message is given. He first identifies "God, who is and who was and who is to come." John identifies this person as the one on the throne by the reference to "his throne." This agrees with the many of the references in the Revelation that refers to He who is on the throne. John does not identify the one "who is and who was and who is to come" as Jesus, for he goes on in Revelation 1:5 to add another person, Jesus, saying, "and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth." In doing this, John distinguishes Jesus from the unipersonal God spoken of in Revelation 1:4. However, in Revelation 4:8 we find the One who is, was and is to come spoken of and described in Revelation 4:1 and the "one sitting on the throne." Now notice in Revelation 5:6,7:

Revelation 5:6 Then I saw one like a slaughtered lamb standing between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent into all the earth.
Revelation 5:7 He came and took [the scroll] out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne. -- Holman Christian Standard Version.

Therefore the one sitting on the throne is not Jesus, because in Revelation 5:6,7, we find Jesus depicted as the Lamb slain, who is found worthy to take the book from the right hand of the one sitting on the throne.

In Revelation 1:4, John identifies 3 different sources from which he received the message of his letter to the churches: (1) from the One who is and who was and who is to come, (2) and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne, (3) and also from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness. Therefore, John identifies at least two persons which the message is from, the Father, the God of Jesus, and Jesus, the Son of the Most High. In many translations, the seven spirits are spoken of as though persons, although it could be rendered as "from the seven spirits that/which are before his throne." If one should view these seven spirits as persons, then these seven spirits would be seven more persons from whom the the message is received, thus making up nine persons altogether.

Some have claimed that the word "and" [Greek, often transliterated as kai] in Revelation 1:5 should be translated "even" in verse 5, with the thought that this would mean that Jesus is the One who is, was and is to come in Revelation 1:4. In actuality, such an idea would make Jesus the "seven spirits" that were just mentioned before in verse 4. It would not refer back to the one spoken of as the one "who is and who was and who is to come", since there is another "kai" -- and -- in between this phrase and added "kai" -- and -- of verse 5. Nor could we say that "kai" before the seven spirits means "even" in this sense, because it would conflict with the idea that these are spirits are before the throne of the One "who is and who was and who is to come," since it would make these seven spirits the very one sitting on the throne.

What we would really have if "kai" should be rendered "even" would be:

John, to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from the one who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne; even from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Those who promote the idea that kai is being used as cumulative usually disregard the "seven spirits", or else they will try to make "kai" before the seven spirits also mean "even", which would, in effect, mean that the seven spirits would all be before the One on the throne, but at the same be the One on the throne who has the seven spirits before him. Regardless, trying make kai before the seven spirits to mean the one who is, was and to come, and trying make Jesus himself the One who is, who was and who is to come as well as the seven spirits would certainly not give any reason to believe in the trinity doctrine.

Additionally, notice the word "from" that appears before "kai." This is the Greek word often transliterated as  "apo" -- from -- which appears before "Jesus", just as was done before "God", and again before "the seven spirits", which further indicates that "kai" is not being used here to express a cumulative force regarding one being spoken of before, but rather it is fully a further addition showing another involved from whom the message was be given.

Sometimes some will point the to latter expression of verse 5 in an effort to prove that Jesus is the one who is, who was, and who is to come, for it reads: "the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth." We have here an example of Kai being used as a cumulative list of descriptors of the one originally spoken of. However, in this case, there is nothing before each title that designates that there are separate persons being spoken of, as such as the word "apo," as we find in the earlier phrases.

The greeting of Revelation 1:4,5 is similar to John's greeting in 2 John 1:3:

Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Here John speaks of two personages "from" whom he prays for Grace, mercy and peace, (1) from the God the Father, and (2) from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father. To translate "kai" here as "even" would make the Son of the Father actually the Father of whom he is he Son.  This might fit the doctrine often promoted as "oneness" (basically modalism), but trinitarians deny that Jesus is the Father. We might also note that John, all through his three letters, also refers to "God" as one person, not three, and that unipersonal "God" is consistently distinguished from the Son of the unipersonal God.

Likewise, from the beginning to the end of the Revelation, when one rightly attributes who is being spoken of or quoted, "God" is presented as one person, and is distinguished from Jesus, the Lamb, the Son, etc.

However, we need to also point out that most trinitarian scholars do not claim that Revelation 1:4 is speaking of Jesus. Many do claim it is referring to the Father.

There are some, however, who in some vague manner who see all three of their assumed persons being spoken of. John Gill writes:
Some understand [the phrase in Revelation 1:4] of the whole Trinity; the Father by him "which is", being the I am that I am; the Son by him "which was", which was with God the Father, and was God; and the Spirit by him "which is to come", who was promised to come from the Father and the Son, as a Comforter, and the Spirit of truth.
This application, however, would actually seem to leave Jesus, who is spoken of separately in Revelation 1:5, out of the alleged trinity.

Gill continues:
Others think Christ is here only intended, as he is in (Revelation 1:8) by the same expressions; and is he "which is", since before Abraham he was the "I am"; and he "which was", the eternal Logos or Word; and "is to come", as the Judge of quick and dead.
As already shown, this would be in conflict with Revelation 1:5; additionally, we should note as we have shown elsewhere that Revelation 1:8 is not quoting Jesus, but rather the God of Jesus. Thus the appeal to Revelation 1:8 does not support viewing the expression in Revelation 1:4 as being applied to Jesus.

However, Gill continues:
But rather this is to be understood of the first Person, of God the Father; and the phrases are expressive both of his eternity, he being God from everlasting to everlasting; and of his immutability, he being now what he always was, and will be what he now is, and ever was, without any variableness, or shadow of turning: they are a periphrasis, and an explanation of the word "Jehovah", which includes all tenses, past, present, and to come.
We agree with John Gill that it does apply to the Father, but only as the Father is depicted as the  "one God" of whom are all (1 Corinthians 8:6), not as the "first person" of a conjectured trinity that has to be imagined beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6), and then  added to, and read into, the scriptures. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not once, from Genesis to Revelation, ever presented as more than one person.

Oddly, Gill contradicts himself when he comments on Revelation 1:8, for related to this verse, Gill claims that He who is, was, and is to come, is Jesus rather than the Father. 

Throughout the book of Revelation, rather than being pictured as being He who is, was and is to come who is siting on the throne, we find that Jesus is pictures as being the slain lamb. He who is, was, and is to come is never slain. (Revelation 17:14)  Thus Jehovah, He who is, was and is to come, is not the Lamb, nor is the Lamb the Almighty God who sits on the throne. In the book of Revelation, the God from whom Jesus received the Revelation is depicted as being Jesus' God.

Revelation 1:6 - and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.  -- World English Bible version

Revelation 2:7 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I will give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of my God.  -- World English Bible version

Revelation 3:2 - Wake up, and establish the things that remain, which were ready to die, for I have found no works of yours perfected before my God. -- World English Bible version

Revelation 3:12 - He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. -- World English Bible version

Jesus' God is the one sitting on the throne. Jehovah is He who is, was and is to come, who is sitting on the throne. Jesus is not He who is, was and is to come who sits on the throne, but Jesus is the Lamb who takes the scroll from He who is (present), was (in the past) and is to come (in the future), who sits on the throne. Jehovah, being the One who continues to exist from all eternity past to all eternity future (Psalm 90:2), never dies. However, the scriptures show that the Lamb did die. The Lamb is differentiated from being the Almighty God throughout the Revelation. -- Revelation 1:4,5,8; 4:2,8-10; 5:1-8,12,13; 6:1,16; 7:9,10,15,17; 11:17; 13:8; 14:1,4,10; 15:3; 17:14; 19:4,9; 21:5,14,22,23; 22:1,3.

3 comments:

  1. "Who is, Who was, and is to come" is borrowed from the Jewish Adon Olam which has been part of Jewish liturgy and prayer for centuries. It of course refers to the ONE GOD. John would have been very familiar with the Adon Olam so he makes reference to it in his writings and he would be meaning G-D not Jesus.

    Adon Olam means: Lord of the Universe

    Adon which is short for Adonai. Olam means the world or universe

    Adonai is a name for G-D that the Jews use.

    ADON OLAM - Lyrics
    The Lord of the Universe who reigned
    before anything was created.
    When all was made by his will
    He was acknowledged as King.

    And when all shall end
    He still all alone shall reign.
    He was, He is,
    and He shall be in glory.

    And He is one, and there's no other,
    to compare or join Him.
    Without beginning, without end
    and to Him belongs dominion and power.

    And He is my G-d, my living G-d.
    to Him I flee in time of grief,
    and He is my miracle and my refuge,
    who answers the day I shall call.

    To Him I commit my spirit,
    in the time of sleep and awakening,
    even if my spirit leaves,
    G-d is with me, I shall not fear.

    Thank you for your work. There is so much miscomprehension and mistranslations in the New Testament. GOD is clearly ONE not a Trinity.

    The Trinity is a catholic concocted doctrine made up at the Council of Nicea in the 300's by the Roman Empire and Catholics.

    May GOD enlighten the Christians who worship Jesus, pray to Jesus, and worship a cross.

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    1. It is good to see that one sees that in Revelation 1:4,8 and elsewhere that this is not speaking of a triune God.

      Regarding a link with ADON OLAM, I cannot verify that the above is accurate, and I cannot find the connection between the Greek (transliterated) "ho wn kai ho een kai ho erchonemos" with the Hebrew words often transliterated from the Masoretic text as ADON and OLAM. While I can agree with ADON means "Lord" (Strong's 113, 136), the Hebrew word OLAM (Strong's 5769) in the Bible refers to a duration of time. I can see that there could be some relation to Jehovah's being the Master of the ages, related to time, and His being He who is, was and is to come, referring to His continued existence from eternity past, in the present and to eternity to come.
      http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5769.htm

      As best as I can tell, however, the phrase ADON OLAM came into existence about the 11th century AD, long after the book of Revelation was written, and after Jewish tradition had given the word OLAM a meaning of "universe" or "world". The Biblical word OLAM can refer to "world" as referring that existing at this or that time, as "the world" before the Deluge of Noah's day, or the world to come.

      http://bible-covenants.blogspot.com/2016/11/ages.html

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