This site's purpose is to respond to claims that Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh by pointing out what the scriptures do say versus what people often imagine and assume.
Saturday, July 14, 2018
Friday, July 13, 2018
1 Thessalonians 5:23 – Is Man A Trinity? (Genesis 1:26,27)
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you [plural] entirely; and may your [plural] spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. -- New American Standard Version (words in brackets supplied by us).
VERY (ONE) BUT THE GOD OF THE PEACE MAY SANCTIFYWas Paul, by what he wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:23, speaking of a man is made of? Actually, Paul was not writing about man in general, but rather of believers in Christ. In prayer form, Paul uses plural forms of words in Greek; he is not speaking of a human being individually, nor is he speaking of humans in general, In prayer form, he prays for the sanctification and preservation of the entire body of believers (Ephesians 4:4) in Thessalonica: spirit, soul, and body. (Acts 4:32; Romans 12:4,5; 1 Corinthians 1:8,9; 10:17; 12:12,13,20; Ephesians 2:18; 4:4; Philippians 1:27; Colossians 3:15; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Jude 1:24; 1 Peter 1:2) There no reason, however, to think that Paul was presenting a tripartite division of a human being, but rather that he was presenting a holistic application to the church in Thessalonica.
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humas holoteleis kai holokleeron humwn to
YOU COMPLETELY WHOLE, AND WHOLE IN (EVERY) PART OF YOU THE
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pneuma kai hee psuchee kai to swma amemptws en
SPIRIT AND THE SOUL AND THE BODY BLAMELESSLY IN
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tee parousia tou kuriou heemwn ieesou christou
THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD OF US JESUS CHRIST
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MAY IT BE KEPT.
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Paul's prayer makes it clear that God is ultimately responsible for holiness. Paul emphasizes God's faithfulness in completing what He starts in their lives by praying that God Himself sanctifies the believers. Paul was praying for the believers in Thessalonica to be preserved blameless and faultless before the Lord Jesus until the time of his return. By comparison of spiritual revealing with spiritual revealing, we can see that he was speaking of those believers as new creatures, and he was not speaking of their fleshly bodies which were still undergoing the effects of sin. In other words, he is not saying that bodies of flesh will be become totally without sin, except such is reckoned by justification. The new creature, however, is begotten apart from sin, is thus, without sin. It as new creatures that the mind, soul and body is preservered until Christ returns.
Tuesday, July 10, 2018
The Default Reasoning Regarding Jesus and His God
We believe, however, that the Bible itself sets what the default reasoning should be. Let us examine a few scriptures.
Psalms 2:2 - The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against Jehovah, and against his anointed, saying. -- American Standard Version (ASV).
In Psalm 2:2, the Messiah (Anointed One) is presented, not as being Jehovah, but as the one whom Jehovah anointed. The default reasoning should be that the Messiah is not Jehovah, not to imagine and assume that Jesus is Jehovah.
Of course, the trinitarian will usually make use of his many assumptions by which he would imagine and assume that Jehovah is more than one person, and thus they will claim that Psalm 2:2 refers to one person of Jehovah who anoints another person of Jehovah, etc. The reality is that Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is not once in the Bible presented as being more than one person.
Psalms 110:1 - A Psalm of David. Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool. -- ASV.
Here David speaks of Jesus as being his Lord, and he tells of Jehovah speaking to Jesus, his Lord. "Jehovah" refers to only one person, and David's Lord is not depicted as being Jehovah. Again, the default reasoning is that David's Lord is not Jehovah who speaks to David's Lord. See our study: The Lord of David
Isaiah 11:1 - And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots shall bear fruit.Isaiah 11:2 - And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Isaiah 11:3 - And his delight shall be in the fear of Jehovah; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears. -- ASV.
Again, we find Jehovah presented as being one person, and the Messiah has the spirit of Jehovah resting upon him and the Messiah rests in the spirit of knowledge of the fear (reverence) of Jehovah. Indeed, it is prophesied that the Messiah will delight in the fear (reverence) of Jehovah. Jehovah is presented as being only one person, and the Messiah is distinguished from being Jehovah throughout. Again, the default reasoning is that the Messiah is not Jehovah.
Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me; because Jehovah hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isaiah 61:2 - to proclaim the year of Jehovah's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn. -- ASV.
Here Isaiah prophetically quotes the Messiah. Rather than claiming to be Jehovah, the Messiah says, "The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me". Rather than claiming to be Jehovah, the Messiah says, "Jehovah hath anointed me". Rather than claiming to be Jehovah, the Messiah states concerning Jehovah, "He hath sent me". Rather than claiming to be the God of Israel, the Messiah refers to Jehovah as "our God [ELOHIM]", thus showing that he recognized himself as having Jehovah as his God. The default reasoning is not to imagine, assume, add to, and read into the scripture that Jesus is Jehovah, the God of Israel, but rather that Jesus is not Jehovah who anointed and sent the Messiah.
And Micah prophesies concerning the Messiah:
Micah 5:4 - And he shall stand, and shall feed his flock in the strength of Jehovah, in the majesty of the name of Jehovah his God: and they shall abide; for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. -- ASV.
Here the Messiah is definitely shown not to be Jehovah, but rather Jehovah is depicted as being the God (ELOHIM) of the Messiah, in whose strength the Messiah stands and feeds his flock (the flock that Jehovah gives to him -- Ezekiel 34:23,24; 37:24; John 10:29; 17:2,9). Micah 5:4 is in harmony with Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3 and many other scriptures that show that Jesus' Father is Jesus' God. Again, the default reasoning is that Jesus is not Jehovah, his God, in whose strength he stands and feeds the flock. -- See our study: Jesus Has a God
Of the Messiah Moses stated:
Deuteronomy 18:15 - Jehovah thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deuteronomy 18:17 - And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken.
Deuteronomy 18:18 - I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. -- ASV.
Peter refers to this as recorded in Acts 3:13-26. Rather than presenting Jesus as being Jehovah, Peter presents God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as being only one person, and he presents Jesus as being the prophet whom the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob raised up. Peter thus actually distinguishes Jesus from Jehovah throughout. The default reasoning is not to create many assumptions that have to be added to the Bible so as to claim that Jesus is Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but rather that Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who raised Jesus to be His prophet.
The fact is that Jehovah's Anointed One is nowhere presented as being his God. Any such idea has to be formulated beyond what is written, added to what is written and read into what is written.
Thus, the default scriptural reasoning is that Jesus is not Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Supreme Being who sent Jesus; the default reasoning is that Jesus is not Jehovah, since Jesus speaks the words given to him from Jehovah the only true Supreme Being. -- Exodus 3:13,14; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:29; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,42; 10:36; 12:44-50; 14:10,24; 17:1,3,8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1,2; 1 John 4:9,10.
See also our study: Jesus is not Jehovah.
See also: Links to our Studies Related the Ransom and the Trinity.
Thursday, July 5, 2018
1 John 3:16 - Did God Almighty Lay Down His Life For Us?
1 John 3:16 - By this we know love, because he laid down his life for us. We ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. -- World English Bible version.
Many, reading the King James Version of the above scripture, have claimed this verse says that God himself laid down his life for us. No, it was not God who laid down his life for us. The KJV translators added the words "of God" to the verse. Most translations do not add the words "of God" to the verse:http://biblehub.com/text/1_john/3-16.htm
Albert Barnes stated regarding this:
The words “of God” are not in the original, and should not have been introduced into the translation, though they are found in the Latin Vulgate, and in the Genevan versions, and in one manuscript. They would naturally convey the idea that “God” laid down his life for us; or that God himself, in his divine nature, suffered. But this idea is not expressed in this passage as it is in the original, and of course no argument can be derived from it either to prove that Christ is God, or that the divine nature is capable of suffering. The original is much more expressive and emphatic than it is with this addition: “By this we know love;” that is, we know what true love is; we see a most affecting and striking illustration of its nature. “Love itself” - its real nature, its power, its sacrifices, its influences - was seen in its highest form, when the Son of God gave himself to die on a cross. For an illustration of the sentiment, see the notes at John 3:16; John 15:13. -- Barnes, Albert. "Commentary on 1 John 3". "Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible". https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/1-john-3.html. 1870.
Nevertheless, even as 1 John 3:16 reads in Scrivener's Textus Receptus of 1894, it should not be understood as meaning that God gave Himself as an offering to Himself for sins, otherwise, since the condemnation would have been eternal except that that it be offset, this would mean that God is now eternally dead.
The reality is, however, that it was not God, but the man, Christ Jesus, who had, while in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), the glory that is a little lower than the angels (Hebrews 2:9), being equivalent to Adam before Adam sinned, who did not sin as did Adam, and gave himself to God in sacrifice for Adam and all who are dying in Adam (1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Ephesians 5:2; 1 Timothy 2:5,6; Hebrews 9:14,28; 10:10,12), and Jesus is now, as a man having the glory that is a little lower than angels, eternally dead. The wages of sin that came upon Adam would have been eternal had not another taken upon himself the eternal penalty of sin, thus releasing Adam and all of Adam's descendants from that penalty. -- Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; 1 Timothy 2:5,6.
1 John 4:9-10 - In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. [10] Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
"God" above refers to only one person who is not Jesus, and that one person sent His Son -- Jesus. The default reasoning is therefore that the one sent is not the one who did the sending, that is, Jesus is not "God" who sent him.
Even so, God's love is seen in that He sent His son to die for our sins. -- John 3:16,17; 1 John 4:9.10.
God's justice was emphasized during the time before Christ. His justice demanded the death penalty upon all of Adam's descendants due to Adam's sin. God's love combined with His wisdom, however, saw to it that all were condemned in the one man, so that only one sinless man would be needed as a propitiation (appeasing) of God's justice. This is what Paul wrote about in Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; 1 Timothy 2:5,6.
Some links to some of our related studies, see: The Ransom and Trinity

