And Jehovah appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre. And he was sitting at the door of the tent in the heat of the day.[2] And he lifted up his eyes and looked; and, behold, three men were standing by him. And he saw, and he ran to meet them from the entrance of the tent. And he bowed to the ground.[3] And he said, My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, I beg You, do not leave from near Your servant. -- Genesis 18:1-3, Green's Literal.
(1) This narrative begins with the statement that Jehovah appeared to Abraham, and then Abraham saw three men, whom he went out to meet. Although it is often assumed that Jehovah made his appearance here as the three "men", such is not clearly stated in the record. It could be that the appearance of Jehovah in verse one is separate from and before Abraham saw the three men. The term "angel" means messenger, as one who delivers messages for someone else. (See Genesis 19:13) We accept the possibility that Jehovah's appearance to Abraham began before he saw the three men approaching, but at the same time admit that the scriptural testimony is not clear enough to come to a definite conclusion. That these three "men" were actually angels whom Jehovah sent can be seen from Genesis 19:1,13; thus the default conclusion is that these three men were not actually Jehovah who sent them. Nevertheless, at the same time, we could grant that Jehovah can appear by any means that he wishes
(2) Regardless, however, angels sent by Jehovah are sometimes addressed as "Jehovah" in the Hebrew Scriptures. (Exodus 3:2,4,14; Judges 6:12, 14; Zechariah 3:1,2) Just as their being called "men" does not mean that they were actually men, so their being referring to as "Jehovah" does not mean the angels themselves were actually Jehovah, but rather that they spoke for him (similar to a manner in which interpreters might speak for another person in a court of law) as they always behold the face of Jehovah, something which man cannot do. (Matthew 18:10; John 1:18; 1 John 4:1) As we have shown, Genesis 19:13 lets us know that these men (angels) were sent by Jehovah.
(3) Nevertheless, it is often claimed that the three angels who appeared to Abraham were actually the three persons of the alleged holy trinity. Some claim that one of the three angels is called Jehovah in Genesis 18:1 and it is further claimed that this angel was actually Jesus -- the second person of the alleged trinity -- in his prehuman existence. Some have noted that the New World Translation has Abraham saying: "Jehovah, if, now, I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant." (Genesis 18:3) Thus it has been claimed that in verse three all three angels are addressed by Abraham as Jehovah (Jehovah) in the singular and then in verse four they are addressed in the plural. However, is the New World Translation correct in placing Jehovah in this verse? They do so because this verse is listed as one of the places that the Jewish scribes allegedly replaced Jehovah with Adoni or Adonai. See Appendix 32 of the Companion Bible:
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app32.html
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app32.html
(4) It is not certain, and probably unlikely, that the tetragrammaton of God's Holy Name originally appeared in verse 3, since, the Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah indicates that most of the places where it has been claimed that the scribes made a substitution do not actually have the tetragrammaton. (Some have claimed that in some places where the Masoretic text has vowel points to make the word Adonai, the vowel points should have been put for Adoni -- "my Lord", as the Masoretic text has in Genesis 18:3). Given this, we have little reason to believe that Abraham was addressing the three angels as Jehovah in Genesis 18:3.
See: Adonay, the Tetragammaton, and the Great Isaiah Scroll
See: Adonay, the Tetragammaton, and the Great Isaiah Scroll
(5) Nevertheless, the text does have Abraham using the singular pronoun in verse three, whereas in verses 4 and 5 he uses plural pronouns. Does this mean that Abraham was addressing the holy trinity as one in verse 3 and then as individuals in verses 4 and 5? Such would have to be an assumption based on such a preconceived notion, for there is nothing here to indicate such. It would assume that Abraham knew of the alleged trinity doctrine in order to address the three as being the one Jehovah (Deuteronomy 6:4), and further that he knew he was addressing this alleged trinity as recorded in Genesis 18:3. (Some trinitarians claim that the trinity was not revealed until the New Testament -- although in reality there is nothing at all in the New Testament about three persons in one God.) Since there were three men present there, however, there is no reason to assume that Abraham was addressing all three as one, but rather the logical assumption is that he was addressing one of the three angels.
(6) The comments from the 1599 Geneva Study Bible states concerning Genesis 18:3, that Abraham was "speaking to the one who appeared to be most majestic, for he thought they were men."* This agrees with Hebrews 13:2, for Paul tells of those who entertained angels without knowing it. That Abraham at first viewed these three as men, and not angels, is seen in the fact that he asked them to 'rest themselves under the tree.' Had he thought he was addressing the supposed Holy Trinity, or the Almighty Jehovah himself, it is doubtful that he would have stated such. It also agrees with the reference to these angels as men, for they had assumed bodies in the appearance of men. Thus we conclude that Abraham simply addressed one of the angels in verse 3 and in verses 4 and 5 he was addressing all three of the angels. This is much more reasonable than to read into this that all three were Jehovah, or three different persons of Jehovah, and Abraham knew he was addressing a triune God. But the fact that the latter has to be read into this scripture is itself enough to see the circular reasoning one has to use to think that this scripture is some kind of proof of three persons in one God.
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*Beza, Theodore. "Commentary on Genesis 18". "The 1599 Geneva Study Bible". 1600-1645.
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*Beza, Theodore. "Commentary on Genesis 18". "The 1599 Geneva Study Bible". 1600-1645.
(7) Again in Genesis 18:13, Jehovah speaks. Many believe that one of the angels is being called "Jehovah", but this is not stated, and thus has to be assumed. It could be that Jehovah had appeared to Abraham totally separate from the three men, as we mentioned in paragraphs one and three above. Likewise in verses 17-21; while it could have been one of the angels speaking for Jehovah, it is not stated as such. Another point to be made is that if one of these angels was referred to as "Jehovah", we should not view this as meaning that the angel himself is Jehovah, any more than the reference to these angels as "men"* should be viewed as meaning that these angels were actually men. (See Psalm 8:5) At the same time, we do not deny that Jehovah Himself could appear in the form of a man, although we consider this highly unlikely.
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*It has been claimed by some that these were actually men, and not angels who made an appearance as men. The claim is that the Hebrew word 'enowsh (Strong's Hebrew #582) is derived from the Hebrew word anash which it is claimed Thayer (?) defines the Hebrew word means: "incurable, desperate/desperately wicked, woeful." Strong's number for the word actually used in Genesis 17:2 is #376, often transliterated as "iysh." It is true that mankind is under the curse, but mankind was not that way from the beginning. Adam was created and pronounced "good". and the word "iysh" was applied to him before he sinned and came under condemnation. (Genesis 2:23,24) The Hebrew word 'enowsh, as well as the Hebrew word 'adam (Strong's #120), are employed in Psalm 8:4,5 in speaking of the creation of man: "What is man ['enowsh], that you think of him? The son of man ['adam], that you care for him? For you have made him a little lower than [elohim], And crowned him with glory and honor." This does not sound like the actual usage carries the thought of that man was originally created wicked, although we do agree that man is so now, since God "through one trespass, all men were condemned," (Romans 5:18) and "gave them up to vile passions," (Romans 1:26) so that "fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) In Hebrews 2:6, both words are rendered by the one Greek word *Anthropos*, which tends to indicate that the two Hebrew words 'enowsh and 'adam are being used interchangeably in Psalm 8:4. At any rate there is nothing in the idea that these men were actually flesh and blood men and not angels who appeared as "men".
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*It has been claimed by some that these were actually men, and not angels who made an appearance as men. The claim is that the Hebrew word 'enowsh (Strong's Hebrew #582) is derived from the Hebrew word anash which it is claimed Thayer (?) defines the Hebrew word means: "incurable, desperate/desperately wicked, woeful." Strong's number for the word actually used in Genesis 17:2 is #376, often transliterated as "iysh." It is true that mankind is under the curse, but mankind was not that way from the beginning. Adam was created and pronounced "good". and the word "iysh" was applied to him before he sinned and came under condemnation. (Genesis 2:23,24) The Hebrew word 'enowsh, as well as the Hebrew word 'adam (Strong's #120), are employed in Psalm 8:4,5 in speaking of the creation of man: "What is man ['enowsh], that you think of him? The son of man ['adam], that you care for him? For you have made him a little lower than [elohim], And crowned him with glory and honor." This does not sound like the actual usage carries the thought of that man was originally created wicked, although we do agree that man is so now, since God "through one trespass, all men were condemned," (Romans 5:18) and "gave them up to vile passions," (Romans 1:26) so that "fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) In Hebrews 2:6, both words are rendered by the one Greek word *Anthropos*, which tends to indicate that the two Hebrew words 'enowsh and 'adam are being used interchangeably in Psalm 8:4. At any rate there is nothing in the idea that these men were actually flesh and blood men and not angels who appeared as "men".
(8) The narrative shows that the men went to Sodom, but that Jehovah remained in the presence of Abraham. (Genesis 18:22) Genesis 19:1 speaks, not of three angels, but of two angels, thus it is assumed that one of the angels, who is referred to as "Jehovah", stayed with Abraham while the other two went to Sodom. This is probably correct; however, this is not actually stated but assumed. Jehovah was in the presence of Abraham, but we read that he departed from Abraham, presumably to go down to Sodom as he had stated he was going to do, with the intention of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 18:20,21) Abraham showed that he understood that this is what Jehovah meant by the questions he asked Jehovah as recorded in Genesis 18:23-32. Nevertheless, we admit that it is possible that one of the angels was being addressed as Jehovah, and the other two went to Sodom before the one who was being addressed as Jehovah. Notwithstanding, that these angels did not consider themselves to be Jehovah can be seen from Genesis 19:13 (Green's Literal), where it is recorded that they state: "We are about to destroy this place, for the cry of them is great before Jehovah, and Jehovah has sent us to destroy it."
(9) Again the New World Translation has Lot referring to one of the angels as "Jehovah" in Genesis 19:18. Jehovah does not appear here in the Masoretic text, but it is one of the places that it is claimed that Jewish scribes substituted Adoni for Jehovah. For the same reasons given in paragraphs 3 and 4 above regarding Genesis 18:3, we highly doubt that Lot originally used the Holy Name here. But even if he did, it should be considered in a representative sense, in accordance with Genesis 19:13.
(20) What we do not find in any of these scriptures is any reference to three persons in one God, nor do we find anything that clearly backs up the claims of many trinitarians that this account has all three persons of their alleged trinity present before Abraham. See also our study on Genesis 19:24.
See also:
Appendix One - Angel Worship:
The question is raised concerning Genesis 3:2: If these are men are merely angels, then why does Abraham bow down in front of them; isn’t this angel worship?
The question is raised concerning Genesis 3:2: If these are men are merely angels, then why does Abraham bow down in front of them; isn’t this angel worship?
To answer this question with either a yes or no would be misleading. There is a proper "worship" that can be given to angels which could be considered "angel worship", but the phrase "angel worship" seems to mean to give to the angels worship that should only go to Jehovah. However, to respectfully honor any man or angel by bowing down before such is not giving to the creature the worship that only belongs to Jehovah. Nevertheless, the Hebrew word used, and which is often rendered as "bow down to/before", etc. , is the word that means "worship". If such worship is given to any man or angel as that which is due in honor of such a man or angel, then such worship is not giving to the creature that which only belongs to the Most High.
Since we have provided studies on this elsewhere, we refer one to those studies:
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We do not necessarily agree with the conclusions given by the authors.
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Appendix Two -- Seeing the Son, Nor the Father:
It is claimed that when scripture says that no man has seen God, that this refers only to the Father, and not the son, and thus it is claimed that Abraham was Jehovah as the Son, but not the Father. The assumption being added to and read into the scripture, based on the assumption that God is three persons (which also had to be added to and read into the scriptures), is that only the alleged first person of the alleged triune God that cannot be seen, while the alleged and assumed second and third persons of the alleged triune God can be seen. The scriptures, of course, nowhere ever present such a thought. Indeed, nowhere is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ever presented as being more than one person. Jesus stated that his Father is the only true Supreme Being. (John 17:1,3) Paul refers only to the Father as being the source of all, the Supreme Being. (1 Corinthians 8:6) Nowhere in the Bible do we find that any Bible writer ever speaks of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as being more than one person, or that Jesus is a separate and distinct person of God, or that God's Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct person of God. All such has to be imagined beyond what is written, added to, and read into what is written. Nevertheless, many would seem to claim that only one of the angels was actually "Jehovah" while the other two were not Jehovah. This line of argument appears to be that Abraham saw the alleged Jehovah the Son, but that he did not see Jehovah the Father. Some who make this claim will at the same time refer to all three of these men/angels as being the alleged three persons of the trinity, evidently without seeing the contradiction.
Appendix Three - Plural and Singular Usage:
Clarification of the plural and singular usage in Genesis 18:1-5:
{Genesis 18:1} Jehovah appeared to him [Abraham] by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day.
{Genesis 18:2} He lifted up his eyes and looked, and saw that three men stood opposite him. When he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself to the earth,
{Genesis 18:3} and said, "My lord [Masoretic transliterated, Adonai], if now I have found favor in your [singular] sight, please don't go away from your [singular] servant.
{Genesis 18:4} Now let a little water be fetched, wash your [singular] feet, and rest yourselves [plural] under the tree.
{Genesis 18:5} I will get a morsel of bread so you can refresh yourselves [plural]. After that you may go your [singular] way, now that you [singular] have come to your [singular] servant."
They [plural] said, "Very well, do as you have said." - RL Improved Version.
International Standard Version
Genesis 18:3 - "My lords," he told them, "if I have found favor with you [singular], please don't leave your [singular] servant.
We have designated the usage of the singular and plural in the Hebrew in the above quotations. Many like to see in this the trinitarian assumptions, although the default reasoning should be that Abraham used the singular simply to designate the three men as being one group. Trinitarians may even agree with this as designating a compound unity or composite unity, which they claim describes their trinity dogma. Actually, neither compound unity nor composite unity can be applied to what is claimed in the trinity dogma, but we have discussed this in our study, The Meaning of Echad. Nevertheless, after studying the Hebrew closer, it appears that Abraham is addressing all three, using both singular and plural forms in the Hebrew.
In the Masoretic text of Genesis 18:3, we do find the form transliterated as Adonai. The basic form is transliterated as Adoni, which is singular. The Masoretes took the basic Hebrew form and added a vowel point to make Adoni plural, evidently in all places they thought that Adoni referred to Jehovah, thus forming what is often transliterated as Adonai. We cannot be sure that this is what they thought regarding this usage in Genesis 18:3. However. James Strong evidently did not think that it was being applied to Jehovah in this verse, and thus places it under his number 113 rather than his number 136. At any rate, the word could be understood as either plural or singular. If plural, it would actually mean "my Lords" rather than "my Lord."
Appendix 4 - Abraham Saw Jehovah -- Genesis 18:22
The claim is made that one cannot see God the Father, but that one can see God the Son. One of the scriptures given to support this idea is Genesis 18:22.
{Genesis 18:22} The men turned from there, and went toward Sodom, but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah. -- RL Improved Version.
If we want to understand the scripture beyond what is written, as related to "seeing" Jehovah, one does have to assume something that is not stated. We could just simply take the scripture as it reads without assuming anything. Many trinitarians, however, will present us with various assumptions they claim are what the scripture actually says. Some have assumed that these three men/angels are actually Jehovah Himself, and then further assume that these three men/angels are three persons of Jehovah, and then further imagine and assume that these three persons are their "God the Father", "God the Son", and "God the Holy Spirit/Ghost". In this case, if Abraham was actually "seeing" God, he would have been seeing all three persons of the alleged triune God. Additionally, even if Jehovah Himself appeared as three angels, or one of these "men," it does not mean that we need to add the trinitarian assumptions to the Bible.
The above, however, appears to assuming that only one of these three angels is God, and it is evidently being assumed that because Abraham saw this man/angel, that he was actually seeing Jehovah. And then it is being further imagined and assumed that this is the alleged "God the Son" that can be seen, while it is being imagined and assumed that it is only one person of the alleged triune God that cannot be seen. And then all that is being imagined and assumed is read into the verses and being presented as though it is actually what is written, when in reality, it is not all so stated.
Jehovah evidently did make an appearance through three of His angels, and these angels spoke the words of Jehovah (Genesis 1:1,13,14,17,19,20,26; 19:16), and did what Jehovah sent them to do. (Genesis 19:13) The default reasoning, we believe, should be that Jehovah, appearing through these angels, spoke through them, and Jehovah is addressed through them, but we should not assume that they were actually Jehovah, and then further imagine and assume that any one of these angels was an alleged Supreme Being the Son of the Supreme Being. Were these three angels of Jehovah whom Jehovah sent actually "men" (Genesis 18:2,16,22; 19:5,8,10,11,12,16) having a little lower than the angels, or were they actually angels (Genesis 19:1,15), spirit sons of God, having a glory that is greater than the glory of men? (Psalm 8:4,5) It they were actually men, then they did not have the Supreme glory, but rather they would have had a glory that is even lower than that of the angels. Neither are any of these angels actually Jehovah, although Jehovah evidently did make his appearance through these angels.
By Ronald R. Day, Sr.
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ReplyDeleteYahweh is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Genesis 18:1-3
King James Version (KJV)
1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
a. Here, Yahweh appeared to Abraham as three angels. Why three?
b. The three angels were addressed as “Yahweh” in verse 3.
Genesis 18:20-22
King James Version (KJV)
20And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
a. One of the three angels who was talking to Abraham is Yahweh, while the other two angels who would go down and see, is also Yahweh. Take note in verse 21, Yahweh said (one of the angels who was talking to Abraham) “I will go down and see”, yet we know that the other two angels went down and see Sodom and Gomorrah.
Genesis 19:24
King James Version (KJV)
24Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
a. One of the angels who were talking to Abraham who is Yahweh, is the Father, while the other two angels who went to Sodom and Gomorrah, who is also Yahweh, are the Son and the Holy Spirit.
b. Now here in Genesis 19:24, we can see that there is Yahweh in Sodom and Gomorrah (the two angels who went down there to see, the Son and the Holy Spirit) who rained brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven (one of the three angels who was talking to Abraham, the Father).
c. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one Yahweh.
d. Yahweh is not only the name of the Father, it is also the name of the Son and the Holy Spirit. That is why Yahweh can send Yahweh or Yahweh can talk to Yahweh, because Yahweh is not only the name of the Father.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with the commentary as it is the one that make the most sense.Considering the terrestrial kingdoms, The Queens and Kings normally send their subjects. During the Spanish, Portuguese, The Dutch and UK’s reign as monarch, when they were conquering nations or when they went to war, it was their generals and admirals who went to wars. Not even the princes or princesses. Any assumption that the three Angels were the Trinity is fallacious. The last phrase gives it away. (Yahweh has sent us to destroy it). God cannot send himself. My analogy may sound very basic but it is a fact. Poeple are trying to use every possible means to justify Trinity ideology which is not actually found in the bible.
It is a priori reasoning deciding ahead of time what the answer will be.
ReplyDeleteWikipedia gives the historical origin or the Trinity. Jesus died for us. No part of the Trinity could be separated to come down to earth and die for our sins.
What a blessing to be a Jehovah's Witness and have the Truth.
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DeleteYes, the trinity dogma does have created outside of what is written, and then added to and read into any scripture.
DeleteIt is good that the JWs recognize that the trinity dogma is false; however, the JW leadership has led the JWs into several major falsehoods, including the denial of the very basis of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus.
http://ransomforall.blogspot.com/2017/03/adam-ransom.html
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