He has on his garment and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." -- Revelation 19:16
World English Bible translation
Some object that the titles Lord of lords and King of kings only apply to Jehovah. Jehovah is spoken of a "Lord of lords" in Deuteronomy 10:17 and Psalm 136:3. The expression, "lord of lords" simply signifies one who is "lord" over others who are also "lords". In the case of Jehovah, however, he is the "Supreme" Lord who is lord over others who are also lords.
However, any one who is a Lord over others who are also lords can hold the title "Lord of lords." Another way of expressing "Lord of lords" is "overlord."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/overlord
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/overlord
Yes, there can be two and even many who can hold the title of "Lord of lords". It is similar to the title "King of kings." Anyone who is a king over others who are also kings can hold the title "King of kings."
Artaxerxes, king of kings, to Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect and so forth. -- Ezra 7:12, World English
For thus says the Lord Yahweh [Jehovah]: Behold, I will bring on Tyre Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and a company, and much people. -- Ezekiel 26:7, World English.
You, O king, are king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the strength, and the glory. -- Daniel 2:37, World English
Jesus is made "lord" by Jehovah, the only true God; He is made lord over the overcomers who also become lords (rulers) and kings, and thus he has the title "Lord of lords" and "King of kings". -- Psalm 2:6,8; Daniel 7:21,27; Acts 2:38; Ephesians 1:22; 2 Timothy 2:12; Hebrews 1:9; Revelation 3:21; 5:10; 20:6.
Likewise, it is Jehovah who makes Jesus "King" in Zion. (Psalms 2:6; 45:6; Daniel 7:13,14; Isaiah 9:7; Matthew 28:18; Luke 1:32; Acts 2:34-36; 5:30,31; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Ephesians 1:3,17-26; Philippians 2:9-11) Jehovah is king because he is the Supreme Being, and no one has to install him as being King.
Likewise, it is Jehovah who makes Jesus "King" in Zion. (Psalms 2:6; 45:6; Daniel 7:13,14; Isaiah 9:7; Matthew 28:18; Luke 1:32; Acts 2:34-36; 5:30,31; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Ephesians 1:3,17-26; Philippians 2:9-11) Jehovah is king because he is the Supreme Being, and no one has to install him as being King.
In the Bible, however, only the Most High, Jehovah, holds the title "God of gods". (Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 136:2; Daniel 2:47: 11:36) Jehovah is God over others who are "gods", especially the "angels" (Psalm 8:5; Hebrews 2:7) and also the "gods" spoken of in Psalm 82:1,6; John 10:34,35.
The term "lord", of itself, is a more general term, and can be applied to many people who are in some way a ruler, teacher, etc, and even a more general way as respect for a man, such as with the meaning of "sir", or "mister".
Hebrew words for "lord" as found in the Masoretic text:
Adonai:
Mare':
If these words are used in the New Testament, they are usually rendered under forms of the word Kurios. The problem in the New Testament, however, is that usually, in the manuscripts as we have them, the Holy Name of God has been changed to forms of the word Kurios, causing a confusion of the word "Kurios" with the Holy Name. In reality, the Holy Name of God does not mean the same thing as Kurios, and Jehovah never authorized anyone to change his name to Kurios. Nevertheless, many have misused this in their efforts to make the claim that Jesus is Jehovah.
First of all... You're going on the authority that Jehovah is Gods true name... Jehovah is an invention derived from mixing the Hebrew YHWH and Greek Adonai. So, the name Jehovah is an invention. Never mind that the person that invented it was a Catholic priest that was was in touch with the spirit world. For anytime that puts such important stress in using Gods real, or Most accurate name, why not use Yahweh? And your explanation on Revelation 19 was specious, and an explanation taken out of context with the scriptures. It's unequivocally clear that revelations 19 is talking about Christ. And your explanation was, the word Lord can mean different things, and there are many Lords? It's an attempt to find an explanatiin that supports your doctrinal beliefs'
ReplyDeletemoisesalva stated: And your explanation on Revelation 19 was specious, and an explanation taken out of context with the scriptures.
DeleteOur Reply: In what way is it considered to be specious? Simply making an accusation without being specific is unfounded.
However, to claim that Jesus' being called Lord of lords and King of Kings means that Jesus is the Supreme Being is definitely misleading.
Furthermore, in the study, we were not dealing with the whole chapter of Revelation 19, but only with the title given to Jesus in Revelation 19:16.
moisesalva stated: It's unequivocally clear that revelations 19 is talking about Christ.
Our Reply: While we are uncertain as to what point is thought to be made by the above statement, we believe that it is unequivocally clear that Revelation 19:16 is indeed speaking about Jesus. Nevertheless, earlier in the chapter much is said about the God and Father of Jesus. Throughout the Revelation, God who sits on the throne (Revelation 19:4) is not Jesus, but rather the God and Father of Jesus. This we have demonstrated several times in our studies related to Revelation 1:4,8.
moisesalva stated: And your explanation was, the word Lord can mean different things, and there are many Lords?
Our Reply: While the Hebrew and Greek words can carry different shades of meaning, that is not the point of the study. The Bible itself refers to many different lords.
The Greek word for "Lord" is often transliterated as Kyrios or Kurios (Strong's #2962). For some studies on how this word is used, both in scriture and outside of scripture, see:
https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/2962.html
(We do not necessarily agree with all conclusions/assumptions given.)
For links to some of our related studies:
https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_3.html
moisesalva stated: It's an attempt to find an explanatiin that supports your doctrinal beliefs'
Our Reply: Actually, it appears to us that anyone who claims that the titles King of kings or Lord of lords applied to Jesus would mean that Jesus is the Supreme Being would be attempting to read into what is said an explanation to support their preconceived doctrine.
The scriptures plainly tell us that Jesus' kingship is given to Jesus from the "one God" who is the source of all. -- Psalm 2:6,8; Isaiah 9:7; Jeremiah 23:5; Ezekiel 34:23,24; Daniel 7:14; Luke 1:32; Acts 2:30; 5:31; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 1:17-23.
The scriptures plainly tell us that Jesus' lordship is given to Jesus from the "one God" who is the source of all. -- Isaiah 62:1,2; Matthew 28:18; John 3:35; Acts 2:36;1 Corinthians 8:6; 15:27.
Indeed, it is the "one God" who is the source of all who has exalted Jesus to the highest position in the universe, far above the angels, next only to the Most High. -- Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 15:27; Hebrews 1:4,6; 1 Peter 3:22.
It was the God and Father of Jesus (Ephesians 1:3) who made the covenant with Abraham and the seed of Abraham -- which is Christ (Genesis 18:16-18; Galatians 3:14,16; Luke 22:29) by which the Father -- Jehovah -- will bless all the nations,, and it was the God and Father of Jesus who raised Jesus up as His prophet who is like Moses. -- Exodus 3:14,15; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Acts 3:13-26.
Only the God and Father of Jesus is the Supreme Being, the source of all. -- John 17:1,3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 1:3.
moisesalva stated: First of all... You're going on the authority that Jehovah is Gods true name...
ReplyDeleteOur Reply: Jehovah is an English variation of the Holy Name, derived from the most common form of the Holy Name as found in the Hebrew Masoretic text. We are supposing, however, that by "true name" is meant the original pronunication. No one on earth today knows for a certainty what ancient Hebrew sounded like; we cannot be 100% certain of the original pronunciation of any name. We are sure, however, the original pronunication of the name of God's Son was not "Jesus," but, except for a few small groups, most people do not think of claiming that "Jesus" is not the true name of God's Son.
The doctrine of a true pronunciation of the Holy Name, as meaning some supposed original pronunciation, and the doctrine that any other pronunciation is a false name, comes not from God or the Bible, from man. God never decreed that everyone in every language had to pronounce His Holy Name as it was originally pronounced, or else it is a false name.
moisesalva stated: Jehovah is an invention derived from mixing the Hebrew YHWH and Greek Adonai. So, the name Jehovah is an invention.
Our Reply: There is a popular theory that the Masoretes took vowels points from the vowel points they supplied to form what is often transliterated as ADONAI. I highly doubt that the Masoretes did such a thing.
moisesalva stated: Jehovah is an invention derived from mixing the Hebrew YHWH and Greek Adonai. So, the name Jehovah is an invention.
Our Reply: There is a popular theory that the Masoretes took vowels points from the vowel points they supplied to form what is often transliterated as ADONAI. I highly doubt that the Masoretes did such a thing.
moisesalva stated: Never mind that the person that invented it was a Catholic priest that was was in touch with the spirit world.
Our Reply: We are not sure what this is referring to. Many have spread the false claim that the "Jehovah" was an invention of Raymundus Martini. We have discussed these theories on our website regarding the Holy Name. See link below.
moisesalva stated: For anytime that puts such important stress in using Gods real, or Most accurate name, why not use Yahweh?
Our Reply: The Latin/English form Yahweh is a later invention based on one of the forms found in some Koine Greek manuscripts. That form from the Greek is often transliterated as IAUE. "Yahweh" was formed from this by taking sounds attributed to the four vowels and blending those sounds with the transliteration of the Holy Name as YHWH, but coming up with Yahweh. Actually, IAUE appears to be a shortened Greek form of IAOUE. The theory is that the "O" sound became indistiguishable so that it was dropped from the spelling making it IAUE. It would seem that this method of reconstructing the Holy Name is less accurate.
Scripturally, Jehovah and Yahweh are two English/Latin variations of the same one name.
We can be certain, however, that God's Holy Name was not originally pronounced as Adonai, Elohim, HaShem, Lord, God, the Lord, or many of the other words that people like to use to replace the Holy Name.
For links to some of our studies related to the Holy Name:
http://nameofyah.blogspot.com/p/on-this-site.html